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I teach physics at a Catholic secondary school, and I am interested in Fr. Spitzer's stated goal of examining fundamental physics constants (the strength of gravity, strong and weak nuclear forces, electromagnetic force, etc) to show that the chance of them being other than they are is so extremely remote as to argue for an intelligent designer. I am intrigued - what do you think?
1 posted on 07/20/2010 6:09:05 PM PDT by firerosemom
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Can not answer the question but I do have a counter-question: Can physics dispprove the existence of God?
2 posted on 07/20/2010 6:10:22 PM PDT by cranked
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No.

John 1:18.

4 posted on 07/20/2010 6:13:19 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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n Physics Prove the Existence of God?

Only if GOD wants it to.

6 posted on 07/20/2010 6:15:01 PM PDT by doc1019 (Martyrdom is a great thing, until it is your turn.)
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Yes, of course it can because God created the physics of our universe!


10 posted on 07/20/2010 6:26:38 PM PDT by JSDude1
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The existence of God proves the illusion or maybe allusion of Physics..


11 posted on 07/20/2010 6:27:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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Not yet, according to Stephen Hawkings, who also says nothing in physics, including big bang, disproves God.


15 posted on 07/20/2010 6:34:10 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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Last year while taking Discrete Mathematics I found this short paper titled, “An Inductive Proof for God’s Existence II”, by Anthony J. Fejfar.

Its almost as simple as just believing.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2515476/An-Inductive-Proof-for-Gods-Existence-II


16 posted on 07/20/2010 6:34:58 PM PDT by Keflavik76 (It's an Obama Nation, pray for America.)
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Besides, the essence of Christianity is faith. Seeking proof through science is about the same mentality as those guys in the the medieval days seeking proof through “relics”.

It’s an evasion of just using faith.


18 posted on 07/20/2010 6:39:45 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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Bookmarked. Robert Spitzer is as bright as they come.


21 posted on 07/20/2010 6:51:41 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (Why won't those knuckle-dragging tea-bagging right-wing bastards just negotiate with me?)
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God gave light to man with Jesus and thus explains the explosive growth of cognitive function in the past 2000 years


23 posted on 07/20/2010 6:59:08 PM PDT by kingcoal
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No. And it can’t disprove, either.


24 posted on 07/20/2010 7:01:44 PM PDT by Brilliant
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God is revealed by His creation:

Psalm 19:1-6 states:

“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it; and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof”.


26 posted on 07/20/2010 7:08:16 PM PDT by Keflavik76 (It's an Obama Nation, pray for America.)
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“In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God’s existence. “ - Isaac Newton.


27 posted on 07/20/2010 7:09:05 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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Can Physics Prove the Existence of God?

What??? Of course not! Doesn't Spitzer know that the whole point to science is to DISprove the existence of God????

/Sam Harris

28 posted on 07/20/2010 7:21:39 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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I think it is God who proves the existence of physics!

But I’m all for the science, good for him.


31 posted on 07/20/2010 7:35:59 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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No.

Read Luke

25 "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

27 "He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29 "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30 " 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

31 "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

34 posted on 07/20/2010 7:41:00 PM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (Hey Obama! All you have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled us with a terrible resolve!!)
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Think about the moment before the “Big Bang” and read Hebrews 11:3


37 posted on 07/20/2010 7:57:48 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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I teach physics at a Catholic secondary school, and I am interested in Fr. Spitzer's stated goal of examining fundamental physics constants (the strength of gravity, strong and weak nuclear forces, electromagnetic force, etc) to show that the chance of them being other than they are is so extremely remote as to argue for an intelligent designer.

Many people have put forward this argument; for my money the most lucid is Paul Davies' The Goldilocks Enigma.

Its subtitle is "Why is the Universe just right for Life?" I confess it seems to me that he inhabits a very different universe - the universe I see around me seems almost implacably hostile to life, and we exist on the razor's edge of that "almost". Only one world in the whole of Creation - and on that world 99% of all species that ever lived are extinct?! As if Goldilocks had found the one bowl of soup in an ocean of poison...

I am intrigued - what do you think?

On the specific issue of the "fine tuned" fundamental constants, I'll be blunt - I think its a total crock. There is zero evidence that these constants are tunable in the first place, any more than the value of pi was finely tuned so that billiard balls could be round. With a better fundamental theory, we should be able to calculate their values from first principles, just as we calculate the value if pi.

After all, a century ago, organic chemistry was cited as evidence how "finely tuned" the carbon-carbon bond was - else life could not exist. Tuned by God, one might argue. But today we can simply calculate the properties of the carbon-carbon bond using simple quantum mechanics (I remember actually doing this in 10th grade), and hence show it could not have been other than it is.

And if there is nothing to tune, that rather pulls the rug out from under the supposed tuner.

42 posted on 07/20/2010 10:20:41 PM PDT by John Locke
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By definition, of theologians of all major religions, God is beyond the view of science-only. Science limits itself to that which can be detected by the senses (and their extensions), has size, quantity and simple location.

Whatever is proved by physics is, again by definition, not God.


43 posted on 07/20/2010 10:53:04 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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I’ve yet to see any argument that disproves or even offers to disprove the “first mover argument” originally put forth long long long ago.


74 posted on 09/23/2010 9:38:54 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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