Mormon Missionary Deception Method:

aMorePerfectUnion ^ | July 18,2010

[restornu]

Here it is again Resty, so you can pick out three things that are untrue. Any three. Mormon Missionary Deception Method:

1. Convince you of their sincerity 2. Trick you into expressing faith first in the Book of Mormon by praying and asking for a sign (this takes you off the objective ground of Biblical truth and puts you into subjective ground of feelings) 3. Convince you that the Bible has errors in its translation 4. Trick you into expressing faith in the prophet Joseph Smith 5. Trick you into expressing faith in the Restoration of the “Gospel” (see Galatians Chapter one) 6. Get you all the way into the baptismal font...

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7. ONLY THEN... you will learn the true DEVIANT doctrines of Mormonism. At this point, it is too late! You only have feelings as a basis of truth! You will believe anything.

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Such as the following “truths” taught in mormonism ...

The 3 Mormon Earth gods:

... The mormon “Heavenly Father” used to be a regular Joe, but became God - his name was Adam. Adam sinned. You will have to swallow that God could sin! ... The Jesus of mormonism was a created spirit being who became one of the three mormon earth gods ... The mormonic Holy Spirit is also a created spirit being. He doesn’t have a body because he is on probation! Yes, he was naughty. He sinned.

... In short, the mormon earth gods are fallen, sinful, created spirit beings.

... and there is more...

The FOURTH Mormon Earth God they don't like to talk about

... The Mormon Heavenly Mother God!

... Yes, it turns out there is a mormonic “Heavenly Mother God!”

... SHE and the father god have sex ... SHE is eternally pregnant ... SHE pops out spirit children who will some day get a human body on earth and can become gods themselves ... SHE is probably not the only godess! Mormons still believe and teach eternal polygamy - sister godesses

The Mormonic Pantheon of Trillions of gods:

... There are TRILLIONS of mormon gods on other planets. No one knows how many. It could be infinite. ... Hindus have approximately 350 million gods. They are pikers compared to mormons!

... How do they get so many gods? They manufacture more all the time:

... Any mormon male can be a God with his own planet, mother goddesses, and spirit kids to worship him. ... Becoming a mormon god means lots of works to attain the god-level. This is why you see mormons working so hard. Now you know why.They have to prove themselves worthy of godhood. ... All the trillions of gods in the mormon pantheon get together regularly over spring break in Kolob Beach to “counsel together”

What will your life be like as a mormon?

... you have to give 10%? - if not, no top level of heaven for you! ... your bishop is there to ask if you gave your FULL tithe - he may ask to see your pay stubs ... your bishop is also there to ask many probing, personal, embarrassing questions ... you will have to complete Masonic Temple rituals that involve strangers touching your private parts ... You will have to wear magic underwear 24/7/365

Once inside the Morg, you have to accept it ALL to move up the chain towards Godhood. This is just the start!

[terycarl]

Seek to remove the scales from your eyes and seek after the truth.
The garbage you just just posted is the line of garbage the Pharisees were spouting, until Jesus corrected them.
You have been deceived.

no scales here.....2,ooo years since Christ Himself founded this church (catholic) and we are doing fine.....there are 20,000 or so miscellaneous “denominations” that all consider themselves correct.......they are all wrong, my church dates from Christ Himself, without disruption, without error, without change......I’ll stick with Her

[Elsie]

 

As a mormon, during mormon training, you were taught to lie?

 

Well.....

 

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Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Old Student]

Thank you. I’m afraid I’ve been posting as Old Student as long as I’ve been on FR. And a minor variation on that name on another site with similar but not identical leanings whose name, I am told, is forbidden here. Haven’t posted there in quite some time, though. I also use another slight variation on the name on some yahoo groups, but don’t post on religious topics there. What you see isn’t exactly what you get, but it’s fairly close.

[restornu]

I do my own home work had I listen to folks like Elsie etc I might have missed the truth.

I don’t care what spin or distortions they post no one can take away my witness of the Holy Ghost.

So you go stand with them I will stand with my Lord!

[ejonesie22]

That's a fight I would not want to get in the middle of ;-).

As it is the Catholics, Orthodox and Mainline Protestants are all brothers and sisters in the same Christ, despite our different approaches...

That we may say each other is led a little astray not with standing...

[Elsie]

I stand boldly for my faith even if there are distortors of my faith, honest people will do their own homework should they care!

Well Resty; this is a reply to #83 in this thread, and I'd surmise that 1/2 of them by ANTIs (as we are loving called).

That's about 41-42 replies that you can SURELY show aT LEAST one 'DISTORTION' to the Newbies to these LDS vs Christian threads?

Are you going to?

[Religion Moderator]

If it is flame bait or holds an individual Freeper up for ridicule ("making it personal") then no.

[Elsie]

Not to change the subject, but did you ever notice that the Temple has 6 spires on it?

Which ONE?

They have (as of last count) 133 operating · 7 under construction · 12 announced

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/

[Elsie]

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[Elsie]

No I did not goof I say let’s get it out in the open let the light shine brightly....

So you WILL be expounding on the things that JS 'learned' to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism?

[Elsie]

 

Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings:

 

 

 

Praise to the Man!

 

 

Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

 

 

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

 

Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

 

Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

 

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

[KDD]

Benjamin Franklin and all the Founders of the Republic had a great appreciation of the utility of religion.

Certainly an institution to be conserved on that basis alone.

[svcw]

I said: ”It is simple: the Eternal Jesus or the created jesus.”

You answer: What makes you think there is the kind of difference you seem to think there is?

Seriously if you do not see there is a difference between created and eternal there is no point in extending this conversation.

If we were face to face I would have laughed out loud when you implied there is no difference between Eternal and created, because there is no way I would have thought you were being truthful.

If you believe jesus is a crated being (which is what lds teach) then just say it. Use the words: jesus is a created being. Stop beating around the bush.

[Elsie]

 

The rest of your so-called “facts” assume authority you can't prove.

 

 

(BTW: I like reading stuff for myself!)

 

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"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

 

 

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

 

[restornu]

Is that all you have is bitterness how sad!

Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings

“Redeemer of Israel”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M76gSyiHUL4

“I Need Thee Every Hour”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-qFeNiEaQ&feature=related

[svcw]

Then Resty when someone posts something from an LDS site and you think its spin, tell us why. Use your words and tell us what is wrong. When you just keep saying its spin just doesn’t cut it.

[HereInTheHeartland]

Jesus did NOT found the Catholic church, humans did.

Jesus came to earth to overturn the old ways and to break down the barriers for humans to have a relationship with God (Him).
He did not come to earth to recreate the Pharisee’s corrupt model.

The way to eternal life is to accept Christ’s willing sacrifice of himself. There is no requirement to go through a bunch of humans created church rituals. When Jesus said on the cross “It is finished”; He meant it.
Nothing else was needed, No popes, no gold plated churches, no rituals or chants, no Mary worship, nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Nothing could improve on His sacrifice or perfect it. He didn’t need a Mohamed, a Joseph Smith or any other humans to perfect or improve what He did. All that is needed is for us to believe.
Those that teach that we need a human to intercede to God for us are completely wrong.

[Elsie]

 

It use to be at one time if I heard something my heart would drop only to search the scriptures and find marvelous treasures I have not know before so it was always a blessing for me!Oh?

D&C 9:8
"But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right."

 

 

 

 

[restornu]

Yes; they can.

Even if a CAUCUS thread; if one waits at least 4 hours after it was originally posted.

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you can post another thread related to the topic as I understand

[Elsie]

hunches and specualtion does not make it so yet, it took 20 years before the Pearls of Great Price before it was canonized.

Ah...

The wonderful POGP!

Containing that FANTASTIC! translation of an Egyptian funerary parchment of hieroglyphics that Egyptologists have PROVEN, beyond a SHADOW of a doubt, that Joseph Smith had NO clue as to what he was talking about when he 'translated' it!