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To: OLD REGGIE
You seem to have a penchant for getting things backwards.

Sad, that. I've always operated under the idea of cause first and then effect. Have the antiCatholics here discovered yet another novelty? Well, I will march into my VP's office first thing Monday morning and declare that True Christians (TM) have discovered that cause does not precede effect and that all the things over the last 105 years that the company has done are now rendered invalid and we need to remake all of our processes. Do you have any convincing arguments for me? This is new to me.

Matthew 13: [55] Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? [56] And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?"

And you know the Catholic interpretation lo these two millennia. Right from the dudes that walked with Him.

Matthew 1:25 but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus.

I am told that the Greek does not imply that normal marital relations did occur after His birth, rather, the emphasis is on Joseph not being responsible for the conception of Jesus.

7,441 posted on 08/07/2010 3:51:44 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Matthew 13: [55] Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? [56] And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?"

And you know the Catholic interpretation lo these two millennia. Right from the dudes that walked with Him.


Really? Scripture please.

Matthew 1:25 but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus.

I am told that the Greek does not imply that normal marital relations did occur after His birth, rather, the emphasis is on Joseph not being responsible for the conception of Jesus.

Who in the world told you that? Can you do any better?

7,445 posted on 08/07/2010 4:15:01 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: MarkBsnr; OLD REGGIE
I am told that the Greek does not imply that normal marital relations did occur after His birth, rather, the emphasis is on Joseph not being responsible for the conception of Jesus

three guesses who told you that......naw I do not need 3

Outline of Biblical Usage of Know ... ginōskō
1) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
a) to understand
b) to know
3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
4) to become acquainted with, to know

Now I think we can assume that Mary and Joseph knew each other as individuals as they had a courtship ...so there is only one option here

Mark, lets say that Mary was a submissive wife and had a normal sexual marriage with Joseph..how would that affect your faith? Does it impact on who Jesus is? Does it change the message of the gospel? Does it make Jesus less God or Mary less blessed by God ?

Mary, has no impact on our salvation and certainly her sex life has no impact..

7,462 posted on 08/08/2010 5:33:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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