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To: smvoice
"Ah, so GourmetDan tells me to grow up. And face the fact that a person can lose their salvation."

Obviously you received the message. Now what will you do with it?

"Fortunately, for me, GourmetDan did not die for my sins, and I am not saved by GourmetDan."

Ah, set that strawman up and knock him down! Doesn't that feel all better? Now you don't have to respond to the message you received.

"And this is not the dispensation of GourmetDan. Based on faith and works for salvation. We are not in the Dispensation of Law or the Kingdom, GourmetDan. We are in the Dispensation of the Grace of God. You will find it from Romans through Philemon. That is where you will find your salvation, GourmetDan."

Having accepted the hellish doctrine of OSAS, following that with the hellish doctrine of dispensationalism is all too typical of immature believers.

"Unless you wish to be under the law to establish your righteousness before God."

Ah, the fallacy of the false dichotomy. Either I accept dispensationalism and OSAS or I am trying to justify myself under the law.

"We can have confidence that we are in the will of God in our determination to stand fast in liberty and allow GOD'S GRACE to do ITS work in OUR lives."

There are simply too many verses on obedience for you to imply that obedience equals personal righteousness as a means to salvation. You do love your fallacies and strawmen, eh?

1 John 5 - "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands."

"As long as we are on this earth, we are not perfect. We don't claim to be perfect. We are saved and awaiting His coming and His changing our vile body unto a glorious body. That is not going to happen by the things we do. It's what HE has done that make it possible."

You are confused. No one said you had to be perfect, or that anyone claimed to be perfect or that Christ would not change your vile body into a glorious body because you have earned it through your works rather than his work. But you do love your fallacies and strawmen...

"One more thing, GourmetDan...The bible has something to say about Growing Up.. "But speaking the truth in love, may GROW UP into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:" (Eph. 4:15).

I said "Grow up, please" and you did notice that 'speaking the truth' is part of the verse you quoted, right? Was that not loving enough for you or are you simply offended because I spoke the truth to you? Would you prefer that I lie to you and leave out that which offends you?

Proverbs 18:19 - "An offended brother is more unyielding than a fortified city, and disputes are like the barred gates of a citadel."

7,402 posted on 08/07/2010 9:12:01 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Your 'truth' is not worth the time it takes to post it.

"Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not:

But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, and walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of THE TRUTH commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

But if OUR GOSPEL be hid, it is hid to them that are lost;

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. (2Cor. 4:1-5).

"The glorious gospel of Christ". "Our gospel". Perhaps a person should find out just what this gospel is. Because if that person is basing his salvation on Christ plus works, he are not following the gospel that saves. And his mind has been blinded by the god of this world. Who, by the way, always desired to add to God's Word. Even now. Christ's FINISHED WORK isn't enough. Our works MUST be added to His FINISHED WORK. Straight from the god of this world. Designed to keep a person focused on his works. And off the Finished work of Christ.

A lost man's work is never done..

7,406 posted on 08/07/2010 9:30:26 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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