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To: D-fendr
No one’s ever un-believed?

I can't see how...Once you are filled with the Spirit of God, there's no provision for kicking the Spirit back out...Or, the Holy Spirit leaving...

One may turn from God, run from God...Get angry with God...One may deny God with his lips and even block God out of his thoughts much of the time...

But THAT Spirit is always there trying to get you back into the Grace of God...

7,333 posted on 08/06/2010 4:54:09 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I can't see how...

I remember the tracts from college, the "Easy Believerism" approach. Just believe really, really, really hard; say the sinner's prayer - and you're in. That's it, done. Don't have to worry bout that anymore.

One may turn from God, run from God...Get angry with God...One may deny God with his lips and even block God out of his thoughts much of the time...

Goodness, you do have God in a box then. No matter what, you still win the race. I don't think you know the outcome of the race until it's run.

There are levels of belief and levels of trust. It's not our criteria that counts, but that of Jesus, who will be doing the judging.

We can look at the martyrs and say, "Yes, likely they really trusted."

But until then...

7,335 posted on 08/06/2010 5:04:35 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Iscool; D-fendr
"That we should be to the praise of His glory who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER THAT YE BELIEVED YE WERE SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise." (Ephesians 1:12, 13).

"And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION." (Eph. 4:30).

Believers are sealed by the Holy Spirt at the moment of salvation. We are sealed unto the day of redemption. Meaning, we cannot unseal anything. It's there, until it is redeemed. By Christ. We are His.

7,336 posted on 08/06/2010 5:07:23 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Iscool
I can't see how...Once you are filled with the Spirit of God, there's no provision for kicking the Spirit back out...Or, the Holy Spirit leaving...

One may turn from God, run from God...Get angry with God...One may deny God with his lips and even block God out of his thoughts much of the time...

But THAT Spirit is always there trying to get you back into the Grace of God...

Trying? What do you mean trying? Are you saying that God is not Almighty? That God can fail when dealing with His creations?

7,354 posted on 08/06/2010 5:43:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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