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I like your giving of Eph. 2:10, Mad Dawg. It is a beautiful verse, which actually says a LOT.

The question I have is: how are we created IN CHRIST? When does that exactly happen? You can't walk in the good works God prepared beforehand if you're not created IN CHRIST. And if you aren't IN CHRIST, then all the good works in the world aren't going to get you IN CHRIST.

[Mad Dawg]

The question I have is: how are we created IN CHRIST? When does that exactly happen?

The Holy Spirit takes care of that, "ordinarily" through water baptism.

I would say that the Holy Ghost often works in us for years before we finally are "subjectively" born again.

Too busy to do more detail.

[OLD REGGIE]

I like your giving of Eph. 2:10, Mad Dawg. It is a beautiful verse, which actually says a LOT.

The question I have is: how are we created IN CHRIST? When does that exactly happen? You can't walk in the good works God prepared beforehand if you're not created IN CHRIST. And if you aren't IN CHRIST, then all the good works in the world aren't going to get you IN CHRIST.

I believe Mad Dawg made that point effectively with his affirmation of what bkaycee said. "Clearly the important thing is what bkaycee says, the works are the fruits of grace, the fruits of the grace which is faith."

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You can't walk in the good works God prepared beforehand if you're not created IN CHRIST.

EXACTLY! One must have salvation FIRST. The reason why salvation is WITHOUT works.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

It's is only AFTER salvation - being in Christ - that we can accomplish good works God prepared beforehand.