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To: Cronos; Deo volente; Quix; don-o; Mad Dawg
Thank you, dear brothers in Christ, for your replies!

I am combining my response in one post so that I don't take up space repeating myself. And I ask your understanding, dear Mad Dawg, for using my regular font size as this post is too long for the big font.

As Quix noted earlier, to him and evidently many others the Name of God, Almighty, is taken to mean God the Father. As with the Name of God, God, this is to be expected upon reading passages such as this (emphasis mine):

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. – Revelation 19:11-16

And this,

And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I [am] the LORD: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. - Exodus 6:2-3

But it cuts both ways in the following which continues with Jesus Christ clearly identifying Himself as Alpha and Omega:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:1-8

Thus one might have great difficulty with this prophecy which uses the Name of God, The Mighty God and Everlasting Father when speaking of Jesus Christ:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. – Isaiah 9:6

In my view, the problem arises whenever we mere mortals attempt to apply the Law of Identity (A=A and not B) to God. Indeed, the LDS doctrine does precisely that and the Trinity is rejected by that religion. And others reject the Trinity on those very logical grounds.

But man is not the measure of God!

The Laws of Logic are part of the creation, not a property or restriction on the Creator of them. We must lay them aside in our meditations on the Names of God.

And again, the Law of Identity does not apply to God.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. - John 14:7-11

Thus, when one says "Mother of God" and the hearer's spiritual perception is that God is Triune, then the title needs a footnote to explain that it really means mother of the Incarnate Word Who IS God the Creator (John 1:1-4), that the Father is in Him and He is in the Father (Rev 5, John 1:18) and He is the brightness of the Father's glory and the express image of His person (Hebrews 1:3) - but that Mary is not mother of God the Father and not mother of the Holy Spirit even though God is One God.

In effect the speaker must deconstruct the Trinity into three separate identities in order to convey what is actually meant by that title and then reconstitute the Name of God, God, so that they do not misunderstand that the title is not meant to be a reduction of the Name of God, God, as in the Triune God.

Praise God that there are Names of God which apply only to the Incarnate Word: Word, Jesus, Christ, Messiah, Emmanuel, etc.

And so I personally can and do avoid causing confusion to the youngers (who are probably not yet ready for a lesson in the Law of Identity and why it does not apply to the Creator of it) - by simply using the title "Mother of the Incarnate Word."

Like I said before, it is the same issue we have when admiring Michaelangelo's Creation of Adam with a younger. We do the younger a disservice if we do not carefully explain that God is not an old gray-haired man on a cloud.

God's Name is I AM.

6,980 posted on 08/05/2010 9:19:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
And yet, don't you understand that by saying the mother (the bearer) of the Incarnate Word, you neglect to say that she also bore Christ, God, because Christ was the incarnate man and also the Creator God.

Oversimplification can and has led to severe errors.
6,985 posted on 08/05/2010 9:33:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Alamo-Girl

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

THX THX.


6,986 posted on 08/05/2010 9:33:55 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Alamo-Girl
And yet, don't you understand that by saying the mother (the bearer) of the Incarnate Word, you neglect to say that she also bore Christ, God, because Christ was the incarnate man and also the Creator God.

Oversimplification can and has led to severe errors in this doctrine throughout history -- or rather it did for the first three centuries, then stopped with the Nicene creed and resurfaced 1200 years later when The Church had neglected it's duties to keep teaching the Germanics
6,987 posted on 08/05/2010 9:34:15 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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