Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
That's not what Paul really says.
However, that is different than someone who life is marked by sin behavior and shows no sign of remorse or repentance.
I'm still unclear how this jibes with Paul. If you do what Paul lists, can you still inherit the Kingdom? Or is that if you do them and then repent you can? Or that if you do these acts you haven't repented? Or that if you are already saved, you won't do these acts at all?
Thanks for your reply.
And you know that for sure, right?
No one’s ever un-believed?
Sounds like wanting to put God in a box.
Actually, I believe the theology goes, all in the womb hate God and deserve his Wrath.
Those whom we see here who believe this, we’re born lucky. Not that they should boast.
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Interesting thought: does that mean some have a good lawsuit against God?
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Can these people not see that there is a continuous spiritual battle going on in the life of a Christian??? Do Christians sin??? Of course they do...
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.br> Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
When we understand sin in view of the law that revealed, we can then understand the remedy for that sin...
You are welcome.
They support the Scriptural, Protestant position of what is required for salvation.
Negative. There is no single Protestant position of what is required for salvation. To the Reformed, the only requirement is that you have been chosen for salvation before time began by God Almighty. Everything else after that is window dressing. To others such as the LDS, salvation is strictly earned by the individual. For the Catholics, we open the door to accept God's Grace and thereafter, we do our best with His Grace to imitate Christ so that when we are Judged, He will have mercy upon us.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
The point is to believe in Christ - the Christ of the Gospels.
It's not rocket science. Jesus didn't ruminate like some RC apologists here post -- endless diatribes and convoluted reasoning and baseless suppositions and argumentative non-rebuttals. Nope. Jesus was succinct. Clear. Concise.
Negative again, at times. Jesus spoke in parables. Not succinct, clear or concise. At times Jesus was very direct.
And those given eyes to see and ears to hear will not be afraid, and they will believe Him.
Negative again, at times.
Matthew 13: 18 8 "Hear then the parable of the sower. 19 The seed sown on the path is the one who hears the word of the kingdom without understanding it, and the evil one comes and steals away what was sown in his heart. 20 The seed sown on rocky ground is the one who hears the word and receives it at once with joy. 21 But he has no root and lasts only for a time. When some tribulation or persecution comes because of the word, he immediately falls away. 22 The seed sown among thorns is the one who hears the word, but then worldly anxiety and the lure of riches choke the word and it bears no fruit. 23 But the seed sown on rich soil is the one who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and yields a hundred or sixty or thirtyfold."
There are many given eyes to see and ears to hear that accept for a time, and then fall away.
Matthew 24: 10 And then many will be led into sin; they will betray and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and deceive many; 12 and because of the increase of evildoing, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
Each man is given sufficient grace by God. What will each man do with it?
Matthew 25: 14 6 "It will be as when a man who was going on a journey 7 called in his servants and entrusted his possessions to them. 15 To one he gave five talents; 8 to another, two; to a third, one--to each according to his ability. Then he went away. Immediately 16 the one who received five talents went and traded with them, and made another five. 17 Likewise, the one who received two made another two.
18 9 But the man who received one went off and dug a hole in the ground and buried his master's money. 19 After a long time the master of those servants came back and settled accounts with them. 20 The one who had received five talents came forward bringing the additional five. 10 He said, 'Master, you gave me five talents. See, I have made five more.' 21 His master said to him, 'Well done, my good and faithful servant. Since you were faithful in small matters, I will give you great responsibilities. Come, share your master's joy.' 22 (Then) the one who had received two talents also came forward and said, 'Master, you gave me two talents. See, I have made two more.' 23 His master said to him, 'Well done, my good and faithful servant. Since you were faithful in small matters, I will give you great responsibilities. Come, share your master's joy.' 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came forward and said, 'Master, I knew you were a demanding person, harvesting where you did not plant and gathering where you did not scatter; 25 so out of fear I went off and buried your talent in the ground. Here it is back.' 26 His master said to him in reply, 'You wicked, lazy servant! 11 So you knew that I harvest where I did not plant and gather where I did not scatter? 27 Should you not then have put my money in the bank so that I could have got it back with interest on my return? 28 Now then! Take the talent from him and give it to the one with ten.
29 12 For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 13 And throw this useless servant into the darkness outside, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.'
Nobody gets to Heaven on his own, but each man can reject God's free gift of Heaven by his deeds.
As God wills.
What does God will? 1 Timothy 2: 1 1 First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, 2 for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. 3 This is good and pleasing to God our savior, 4 who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth.
This is what God wills. Jesus says: John 12: 31 Now is the time of judgment on this world; now the ruler of this world 18 will be driven out. 32 And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself."
This is what God wills. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to each other with Scripture.
Our position is and remains, a heavenly one, simply because we are "in Christ". We may not always appropriate and enjoy our blessings in the heavenlies, but the position remains the same. God always sees us IN CHRIST at His right hand. (Rom. 8:1, 31-34).
We not only are spiritually seated in the heavenlies IN CHRIST, we have access into His presence.
"For through Him we both (Jew and Gentile believer) have access by one Spirit unto the Father." (Eph. 2: 17,18).
Romans 5:1,2 speaks of our standing and our privilege together;
"Therefore BEING JUSTIFIED by faith we have PEACE with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
By whom also WE HAVE ACCESS by faith into this grace wherein we stand..."
And ask for interest compounded on it too.
What about the guy who is two blocks over that isn't your neighbor???
Funny, I've always privately thought of spiritual types as those who get their courage from a bottle...
"My" group is mostly composed of (ex?) Protestants, Catholics, and Jews wih a strong Scriptural leaning.
Well if they drink as much as my imagination is leading me to think, I'd be leaning, too. :)
“”NO church can teach ANYTHING OTHER than HIS WORD and claim to be His Church and Christians cannot be mislead when following HIS WORD ALONE””
Ask yourself why thousands of Churches claim the same thing but teach different from each other and ask yourself why protestant churches do not have historical interpretations of scripture other than the ones you agree with Catholics on? Face it ,protestants are modernists
Obviously someone is being mislead by following what you call God’s word alone or there would be complete Christian unity amongst you solo Scripture crowd who follow God’s word alone.
Also, When you say God’s word alone it depends on what Bible? The KJV is a mess of translation errors the NIV is even worse-so what you’re getting is NOT God’s word in many cases ,it’s an error. How do you deal with that with lack of historical Christian interpretations?
The problem most people today have is they have cognitive dissidence because of living in a modern world and they cannot relate to how things were in early Christianity..
For example..
Was the Scripture EVER given to individuals in the Bible? Did God hand out scrolls to everyone? No, God gave His Word to particular men and women, who shared it with the community at large. This was written down and shared with the future communities. The Bible is NOT EVER shown as something given to each individual of the community. If you want to follow how the early Church did things, then you ARE to comply with the leaders of the community.
I wish you a Blessed evening!
You mean that Mary went back in time and had other children?
Strange, then how Luke thought it appropriate to include such an irrelevant exchange in his Gospel.
I think that Luke was indicating the influence that Mary had on Jesus.
He "disses" her more than once. Not sure how telling Jesus they are out of wine indicates a "special" relationship more so than any other relative or disciple. Did those around Jesus at the time of His other miracles also have a "special" relationship with Him?
Did anybody else get Jesus to do something that he plainly stated that he wasn't going to do?
She does seem to be the only He "disses" who is loosley connected to any of His miracles, which I believe is actually a subtle attempt by Jesus to prevent the inclination of some to elevate Mary to an object of worship of Mary.
He disses Peter as well on several occasions.
I can't see how...Once you are filled with the Spirit of God, there's no provision for kicking the Spirit back out...Or, the Holy Spirit leaving...
One may turn from God, run from God...Get angry with God...One may deny God with his lips and even block God out of his thoughts much of the time...
But THAT Spirit is always there trying to get you back into the Grace of God...
I take it this was said in jest?
I remember the tracts from college, the "Easy Believerism" approach. Just believe really, really, really hard; say the sinner's prayer - and you're in. That's it, done. Don't have to worry bout that anymore.
One may turn from God, run from God...Get angry with God...One may deny God with his lips and even block God out of his thoughts much of the time...
Goodness, you do have God in a box then. No matter what, you still win the race. I don't think you know the outcome of the race until it's run.
There are levels of belief and levels of trust. It's not our criteria that counts, but that of Jesus, who will be doing the judging.
We can look at the martyrs and say, "Yes, likely they really trusted."
But until then...
"And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION." (Eph. 4:30).
Believers are sealed by the Holy Spirt at the moment of salvation. We are sealed unto the day of redemption. Meaning, we cannot unseal anything. It's there, until it is redeemed. By Christ. We are His.
You should have left this one out...This is the one that sinks your religion...
They said that Jehudi's pen knife was lost forever, but you guys had it all the time...
I think the most humble is closest to God, it's the most prideful that has a problem.
We cannot presume to judge for Jesus or know the future. When our death is present, then we will know for certain.
I would dissing one’s mother would be somewhat of a violation of “honor thy father and thy mother.”
I would *think* dissing one’s mother would be somewhat of a violation of “honor thy father and thy mother.”
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