Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[Quix]

Certainly.

Thanks for your kind words.

[Natural Law]

"Wow! This claim is amazingly identifical [SP?] to several found on the internet."

When multiple sources all cite the same Vatican Document with the same or similar language it is corroborative. There would only be a problem if they differ.

Try to keep up.

[Mad Dawg]

No sweat.

[Deo volente]

...evidently quite a few Christians believe the Name of God, Almighty, applies exclusively to God the Father.

That's not something I previously knew. Thanks for your timely clarification of the whole issue. I now understand his confusion when I "agreed" with him that Catholics believe Mary to be the "Mother of Almighty God" in his original post on the matter. I was referring to God the Son, and he meant God the Father.

Confusion over what a poster means by a word/term/phrase can lead to a lot of time wasted in fruitless argument and accusations thrown about all over the place.

Thanks again!

[Quix]

My use of

Almighty/Father God was because I SUSPECTED there might be a miscommunication about terms by my 2nd communication on the topic.

However, WHEN AFTER my use of Almighty/Father God to signify precisely which part of the Trinity I was referring to, there was another VIVID post [vivid being fine with me] to the effect that MARY WAS THE MOTHER OF ALMIGHTY GOD, it

SEEMED clear that

that

was

your position.

I’m relieved to learn that you continued to misunderstand my term and that you do not believe that nonsense.

[D-fendr]

One of the great ironies

Is to apply methods to define other's religious terms that they aren't willing to apply to their own.

Though that may better be described as hypocrisy.

[Quix]

It was thoughtless neglect, not deliberate.

I thought of it at an early point but went ahead with my writing and by then had forgotten before I hit post.

Sorry.

[Iscool]

Christ did not inherit original sin. That is clear in what scripture says.

That is not clear from scripture at all...

God took on human flesh so that He would be like as we are...

No one could have killed His flesh had he not had the same corruptible body as we have...

Jesus suffered pain...Pain is the result of the fall of Adam and Eve...

Jesus endured temptation...He wasn't immune to it...

If the body of Jesus didn't have original sin, then he wasn't like us at all...He only looked like us...

None of the verses you posted suggest differently...

That does throw a monkey wrench into your gears tho...That means Mary couldn't have been sinlesss...

[Quix]

No problem.

My fierceness is against heretical ideas . . .

and

to provoke soul searching thought on the part of those still capable of or given to such.

Folks who find 0.000000000000% beneit in my provocative posts should probably avoid reading them.

I realize we all see through a glass darkly.

I realize we are all flawed in our thinking, reasoning, assessing, perceiveing etc.

I simply do best stating things starkly and vividly. That has a place in the exchange of ideas and the challenge to all Believers to examine themselves . . . and to exhort one another.

I certainly know I’m not one size fits all.

[Deo volente]

Fair enough. I am happy that you are relieved I would never believe that nonsense (that Mary is the Mother of God the Father).

Alamo-Girl has clarified the matter by informing me that many Christians use the term “Almighty” to refer exclusively to God the Father. So, yes, I misunderstood what you meant. I had never heard of that restricted use of the word “Almighty” before.

The whole controversy is over as far as I'm concerned.

[Iscool]

When, where, and how did you acquire sufficient knowledge of the Catholic Church's beliefs and teachings to be able to form a valid opinion of it? Have you actually studied the Catechism instead of accepting misinterpreted out of context and completely fabricated quips and excerpts thrown out by other ignorant anti-Catholics more interested in making a point than actually speaking the truth? Have you ever actually studied the complete Catechism or done the research to actually understand the meaning or context of any of any of its thousands of footnotes and references? Have you ever educated yourself on the derivation of the symbolism and imagery developed and used over the last 2,000 years as opposed to using an on-line dictionary?

In other words, there aren't any Catholics who understand your religion either...

I'm thinking it's not nearly as complicated as you make it out to be...

No one's interested in the whos, the whys or hows...It's the finished product that we're interested in...And it can all be summed up in short sentences...

For example, it's your claim that Jesus is the Mother of God (the Son)...Now we know the Catholic church's position on that issue...

The rest of the issues can pop out just as easily...And we understand what you are saying so let's not pretend it's some mysterious, magical top secret set of documents that only the Grand Wizard can understand...

[Iscool]

Sure, first, how much are you willing to give. You said that you were willing to bet, right?

Apparently I was right when I figured you couldn't come up with anything...

[Iscool]

LoL...Nail, meet Hammer...

[presently no screen name]

Her motherhood does not, therefore, extend to all the Trinity, but only to the Second Person, the Son, who, in becoming incarnate, TOOK HIS HUMAN NATURE FROM HER.

Pope John Paul II makes this crystal clear in the above excerpt. Why is it that the Pope's subjects CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

NOT believing GOD's WORD is the FINAL AUTHORITY - will led to deception every time.

[Natural Law]

"In other words, there aren't any Catholics who understand your religion either..."

It is unfortunately true that many don't, but that is not the case of the frequent Catholic posters in the Religion Forum.

And it can all be summed up in short sentences..."

Really, isn't that why there are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations all disagreeing over the meaning of "simple" short sentences versus one Holy Catholic Church?

[Iscool]

I believe the Catechism can do a much better job of explaining, but haven’t the time now to post what it says.

According to one of your Catholic cohorts, You will not possibly be able to understand the catechism without years of study in the footnotes, scripture, history, ancient languages and customs and wardrobes...

So good luck to ya...

[presently no screen name]

My fierceness is against heretical ideas.

YES. God hates evil and He commands those who love God to also hate evil...

"Ye that love the LORD, hate evil..."—Psalm 97:10

[Natural Law]

"According to one of your Catholic cohorts, You will not possibly be able to understand the catechism without years of study in the footnotes, scripture, history, ancient languages and customs and wardrobes..."

It is a dubious feeling to be misquoted and not cited, but I said "study" not "years of study". Regardless of the time involved, takes more than YOPIC (Your Own Personal Interpretation of the Catechism) obtained in a few Google sessions to gain an understanding sufficient to formulate a cogent opinion.

Besides, you have absolutely no way of knowing what Jvette's Catholic education is or any qualifications to actually judge it.

[Iscool]

Thanks for your input...

[caww]

It is for the Holy Spirit to guide us to communion with one another.

Perhaps these differences will never be resolved...but they are far enough apart and away from the truth of God's word that it is difficult to fellowship with those who pay homages to statues and have rituals which imo oppose the clear revealed word of God. There are just too many "other" requirements for catholics to fulfill in keeping with what Rome requires and or that their beliefs determine necessary. IMO Christ gets lost in all the ritual and worship and distractions from Him...and rather lift the church above Him directly and indirectly. He is not that complicated....nor that confusing as much of what catholics depict and claim He is...and too much importance is placed on all the "other" areas and things...thus and again Christ is lost in the shuffle. These threads themsleves attest to that as they are always the same issues...Mary Worship etc.