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6,070 posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:54:21 PM by Natural Law
Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I suppose, I don't stick up for Martin because I'm Lutheran, I do it because he can't himself. All those who malign him would doubtless lose the argument with him, although I guess they could claim he was never Catholic, or properly catechized. The average unchurched lurker must really wonder who this guy is, he is maligned as a killer then used to support doctrine. Very confusing. It is also interesting that he is used as a source where (as far as I can tell) the majority of the opposition is Calvinist, Baptist, Fundamentalist or Pentecostal, not Lutheran.
Ask somebody familiar with sheep. They'll tell you that their real sheep are just as stupid as people flocking to (name it).
Thank you for the work you are doing ,dear brother
Appreciate it. Some others here don't though. Would that God gives them your perspective. :)
The Church does NOT approve of Charismatic movements that lead someone to teach against what the Church teaches on the Sacraments,The Blessed Mother etc.... Those who do this are being mislead by satan.
From EWTN
An authentic charism would not pull one away from the Church. If a Catholic leaves, seeking an emotional boost he no longer finds in the Church, he is seeking the gifts of the Giver and not the Giver of the gifts. Participation in the life of the Church should lead any Catholic (Charismatic, traditional, or ordinary) into a deeper relationship with the Eucharist, the Blessed Mother and the Pope. If it does not, something is spiritually wrong with that particular individual or with the guidance he is receiving within his group. Since a charism does not give the person any special infallibility or sanctity, given the extraordinary character of such gifts it is especially necessary for individuals possessing them to guard the purity of their faith, lest pride, self-seeking or emotionalism lead them astray, and they others. The reality that some have left the Church for Pentecostalism, or sought to create it within, points to the dangers.
If she believes that abortion is licit she is not "loyal to the church," even if she thinks she is.
But you are right that there are many Catholics In Name Only. The hospital has many sick people in it. A very devout lady admitted the other day she had no idea who the "judges" were that I was referring to! The only good news to salvage from the exchange is that she is reading the OT and trying to get it.
So, late in life she's beginning to get the idea that she ought to know her Bible a little better. That's good.
So in Catholicism, the NT looks BACK and points to Mary, as opposed to the OT, which all things point forward to Christ. Is this right?
I really thought I remembered you saying you were raised Catholic. Did I get that wrong?
If not, and you did go to Mass, do you remember during Mass, hearing something like:
Take this, all of you, and eat it:
this is my body which will be given up for you.
Take this, all of you, and drink from it:
this is the cup of my blood,
the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It will be shed for you and for many
so that sins may be forgiven.
Do this in memory of me.
Is this at all familiar to you?
I thought you were talking about the milkmaids, not the Catholic Church, for it was pride and greed that fueled the CC during that period. Greed for the indulgence money, and pride for not admitting the sinfulness of it at the time when called. But Pharoah's heart was hardened.
I certainly didn’t take the time to check all the links out.
That process, as I understand it, is admirably rigorous.
However, as in any congregation or denomination . . . group think; leadership power-mongering, insecurities and ego demands etc. can all sabotage Holy Spirit’s discernment in such a process.
I Cor 14 is the model. I don’t think the process, this side of Heaven, is flawless in all it’s results in all contexts. Humans are still quite fallible, flawed, sinful at their more or less best—at least part of the time, if not part of each day. Groups of humans discerning a given event, incident, “miracle,” etc. can be a collection of crazy thinking as much as they can be a collection of Holy Spirit leading. There are dozens of factors contributing to the group output on such a task. Not all those factors are anointed or purified in any given group, much less all such groups in all denominations.
Of course I remember it.
But that’s not an answer to the question.
When does it change and if it’s the literal body and blood of Christ, why doesn’t it look like it?
You say Jesus is not in the body of which he is the head.
I'm going with Paul on this one.
Good. Then we're getting close to one of your questions. Does the word "Epiclesis" in your Catholic upbringing ring any bells? Or, do you remember anything similar to: Bless and approve our offering; make it acceptable to you, an offering in spirit and in truth. Let it become for us the body and blood of Jesus Christ, your only Son, our Lord.
Thanks, Quix. That one just caught my eye. I’m reading the rest of this tonight. Very interesting!
Who is the neck that joins the Head to the Body?
I don't think cogent argument, much less dialectic, is a goal of too many here.
Perhaps not, but all provide an opportunity to learn patience.
:)
What more evidence do we need that God's anointing left the Vatican centuries ago, if it was ever there?
There you have it. Jesus is not God, according to metmom.
It’s not as though the posting inclinations of a majority of those on the RCC side makes such very possible very often! LOL.
Thanks for your kind reply.
There’s a ton of great info above.
I just had to respond with a charitable amount of info from their own sources, since the other side was so eager to keep digging the hole they were in! LOL.
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