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Testimony of a Former Irish Priest
BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

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To: Iscool

It does look like they will merge with the one world religion when it comes...along with Islam I would think...at least for a time...am thinking both will be instrumental in not such a good way.


5,101 posted on 08/01/2010 2:38:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: Natural Law
I see The Word posted spoke nothing to you. Not surprising. If your organization doesn't teach it, it's not relevant. And if they taught it, you'd know some Truth.

The chicken and egg paradox. You needed a Chruch to bring you Scripture so that you don't need a Church.

WRONG!! MY Bible brings Scripture to me and I AM THE CHURCH - I am a member of The Body of Christ and JESUS IS THE HEAD OF HIS BODY/HIS CHURCH as spoken in HIS WORD.

The Holy Spirit has already directly told you all you need to know yet you require a Church to help you grow and you condemn those who need a Church to help them understand.

Again, you state a lie - I corrected you before - I am always growing and learning and the HS hasn't told me everything because I WILL NEVER STOP GROWING until I go my eternal HOME. Do I know that I am saved? You betcha! By GRACE through FAITH and NOT BY WORKS. Has your church taught you that yet? If not, your church isn't Holy Spirit led.

you condemn those who need a Church to help them understand.

I'm not condemning anyone - I'm telling you the HOLY SPIRIT IS THE TEACHER. Surely, your church told you that - it's Scriptural.

God's Word is a SEED - that needs to be planted by YOU! Why is that so difficult to understand? I gave you God's Word on how HIS KINGDOM operates. You want 'man' to sow into your heart their doctrine - that's your decision but it's not Scriptural. But don't tell others who are members of HIS BODY - who are HIS CHURCH - who OBEY HIS Word - OBEY HIS WAY of doing things as they pertain to HIS KINGDOM that they are wrong.
5,102 posted on 08/01/2010 2:39:15 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

HIS WORD has it ALL. Anything added is saying Jesus/The Living Word is not enough and deception will follow. And taking one’s eyes off of His Word will cause one to stumble. Both warned about in HIS Word.

Everything God wants us to know, HE preserved through His Word. Some say man tampered with it - again, they are saying God isn’t big enough to preserve HIS OWN WORD. It’s goes right to the heart of one who says such a thing - their God isn’t big enough. MY GOD IS!! Thank you JESUS!


WELL AND BIBLICALLY PUT.

THX.


5,103 posted on 08/01/2010 2:40:41 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: OLD REGGIE

There was no [ROMAN] “C”atholic in 60AD or 90AD. There was a nascent Christian Church however.

INDEED TO THE SUPREME DEGREE.

Though perhaps only in the multiverse

without RC rubber histories.


5,104 posted on 08/01/2010 2:42:14 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Iscool
I think you are reading some things into it that are not there... They acknowledged a partnership...The sentence does not indicate an instruction to Paul to go to the poor any more than it indicates a request or a reminder for Paul to go to the poor...

Well, let's see. In Acts 9, he joins the Apostles, but is sent away when the Jew come hunting for his head. In Acts 9, he is sent by the Apostles from Tarsus to Antioch. In Chapter 12, after he finishes the relief mission that the Apostles put on him, he returned to Jerusalem. In Acts 15, after his first journey, he returned to Jerusalem and reported out to the Council what had been happening and then 'were sent on their journey' back to Antioch. In Acts 20, he returns to Jerusalem and in Acts 21, he goes to see James. I'd say that he was subject to the Council.

Galations 2: 9 and when they recognized the grace bestowed upon me, James and Cephas and John, 8 who were reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas their right hands in partnership, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 Only, we were to be mindful of the poor, 9 which is the very thing I was eager to do.

There was a lot more direction on the part of the other Apostles and a lot more accepting direction on the part of Paul.

This is pure conjecture based on nothing except the desire of your religion to make Paul subservient to Peter...

Read Paul's letters. He is a proud man. And the Jews were very caste conscious in Biblical times. Why do you think that Jesus kept dragging tax collectors, Samaritans, and Pharisees into his parables?

Paul's mission was straight from God...He couldn't give a hoot what the other Apostles thought about it...They got together to confirm God's plan...

Paul sure hooted enough and came running when called and reported out when he got there. If Paul didn't give a hoot, why did he run to Jerusalem as soon as he could see again? You just didn't get in a car in those days. Sea or land journeys took weeks or months and were tremendously expensive, not to mention dangerous, with the armed bandits lining roads looking for travellers.

5,105 posted on 08/01/2010 2:43:21 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Cronos
Today was a big day -- the anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising and everyone was at mass, there were celebrations and national prayers at the Military cemetary. And they repeat what JPII said when he said mass at Plac Piłsudskiego on how Christianity defined Poland from the very start and how Warsaw, the phoenix city rose from the ashes.

Poland really is the most Roman Catholic country in the world. I saw some photos from the last archbishop installed in (Kracow???) with a very large military honour guard in procession accompanying him.

5,106 posted on 08/01/2010 2:46:14 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Yes you did. My error. Sorry.

Quite all right. I have never known you to deliberately falsify information on FR. I figured that it was a typo or something.

5,107 posted on 08/01/2010 2:47:38 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Cronos

You trying to defend pomp and circumstance - the bowing, kiss the ring, the decrees, the Roman head gear/dress, the authority over interpretation over scripture, etc., etc., etc.? What part of kingship are you defending?


5,108 posted on 08/01/2010 2:47:55 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: OLD REGGIE
ZENIT

Bless you.

5,109 posted on 08/01/2010 2:48:47 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix

"It’s the RC’s . . . what . . . 95% of the time? Who dare to argue with, challenge the RM’s perceptions and judgments."

I guess that pretty much destroys your "Catholic blind obedience to authority" argument.

By the way, how do you compare this with the 100% of the time it is the anti-Catholics who completely disregard the RM, seize the steering wheel and begin issuing legal advice, admonishments, reminders, and warnings?

5,110 posted on 08/01/2010 2:49:32 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Iscool
Read Acts. Read Galatians. Paul is subordinate to the Council.

Have...Many times...Paul is subordinate to no one except Jesus Christ...

Ah, ah, ah. Not so fast. We are all ultimately subordinate to God. However, doctrinally and temporally, Paul was under the Council. That's the message especially of Acts and Galatians w.r.t. Paul's direction and his reporting. What message did you guys receive from Jesus at Pentecost???

That Peter was the man for the job, after the Holy Spirit had a go at him.

5,111 posted on 08/01/2010 2:55:42 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
More deflection? Let us say that the document in question was proven to your satisfaction. What then would be your course of action?

Let's say it was proven to your satisfaction that the RCC was built on a foundation of deception, forgeries, and lies. What the would be your course of action?

You first...

5,112 posted on 08/01/2010 2:56:20 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: caww

It does look like they will merge with the one world religion when it comes...along with Islam I would think...at least for a time...am thinking both will be instrumental in not such a good way.


SURE LOOKS THAT WAY TO ME, TOO.

VERY SADLY.


5,113 posted on 08/01/2010 2:56:55 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MarkBsnr

..too late..


5,114 posted on 08/01/2010 2:58:08 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: OLD REGGIE
But it all comes back to this: why was the Council at Jamnia (if there ever was one) given authority to close the canon? It was not closed before this point.

It was closed but the Hellenists attempted to add to it.

Some dates, please. When do you say that the Jewish canon was closed and by whom?

5,115 posted on 08/01/2010 2:58:58 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Jvette

I know...and Paul was saved in Acts 9. Two chapters before Peter gave his Acts 11 preaching..


5,116 posted on 08/01/2010 3:00:59 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: OLD REGGIE
From the beginning, the Church recognized those who were holier, who were more, whose imitation of Christ stood out from others and who exemplified a Christian life and practices. They are called holy, beatified, sainted. It is a practice of recognition.

Oh? And hyperdulia applies to all of them?

Of course not. Where would you come up with that?

Hint. Don't drive for some time.

Hopefully not until I have to go to work tomorrow. Too hot and humid outside. It's nice in the house, now that I have the grass cut.

5,117 posted on 08/01/2010 3:01:04 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: presently no screen name
"I see The Word posted spoke nothing to you. Not surprising. If your organization doesn't teach it, it's not relevant. And if they taught it, you'd know some Truth.

What could you possibly know about the teachings of the Catholic Church and where did you learn it? Did you get it from a hand out in church parking lot, or from a sermon by the Rev. Billy-Bob Rolex, from a TV preacher, or from an anti-Catholic website?

WRONG!! MY Bible brings Scripture to me and I AM THE CHURCH - I am a member of The Body of Christ and JESUS IS THE HEAD OF HIS BODY/HIS CHURCH as spoken in HIS WORD.

So who brought you the Bible and how did they bring it to you? Is there anything in your Bible to specify which books it must include? Is there anything in your Bible that says it alone is the entire revealed Word of God?

Again, you state a lie - I corrected you before - I am always growing and learning and the HS hasn't told me everything because I WILL NEVER STOP GROWING until I go my eternal HOME. Do I know that I am saved? You betcha! By GRACE through FAITH and NOT BY WORKS. Has your church taught you that yet? If not, your church isn't Holy Spirit led.

Salvation is a private matter between you and God. Only He knows if you have and will have passed the test.

I'm not condemning anyone - I'm telling you the HOLY SPIRIT IS THE TEACHER. Surely, your church told you that - it's Scriptural.

Does your church tell you that you cannot seek the council of others in your personal "growth" and does it also tell you who those others may or may not be?

God's Word is a SEED - that needs to be planted by YOU! Why is that so difficult to understand? I gave you God's Word on how HIS KINGDOM operates. You want 'man' to sow into your heart their doctrine - that's your decision but it's not Scriptural. But don't tell others who are members of HIS BODY - who are HIS CHURCH - who OBEY HIS Word - OBEY HIS WAY of doing things as they pertain to HIS KINGDOM that they are wrong.

What do you think the word "obey" means? Catholics obey the word of God, but for Catholics obey (from the Latin ob-audire, to "hear or listen to") in faith is to submit freely to the word that has been heard, because its truth is guaranteed by God, who is Truth itself.

5,118 posted on 08/01/2010 3:04:47 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Iscool
We understand it...We just don't buy it...Statistics show that about 40% of Catholics don't buy it either...

Funny isn't it, how when you're debating someone and not agreeing with the person, that your problem is that you don't understand it.

The implication being that if you "really" understood it, you'd agree with your opponent, because their side and their opinion is so compelling you couldn't help yourself. Therefore any disagreement is due to ignorance, not choice.

And the RF isn't the only place I've seen that mentality.

5,119 posted on 08/01/2010 3:05:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix

I have often wondered if the pressure many catholics feel, is because God is trying to get the true believers out of the catholic church before this happens. Same with the protestant churches, which are breaking up because of the morality issues etc. As though God is attempting to prepare us all for what is coming....sifting... if you will.


5,120 posted on 08/01/2010 3:08:15 PM PDT by caww
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