Ten Facts Most Catholics Don’t Know (But Should!)[OPEN thread (Start your engines!)]

[ROMAN] CATHOLIC EXCHANGE ^ | 9 JUL 2010 | GARY ZIMAK

[Cronos]

Yes, you're right, like the Oneness Pentecostals who reject the traditional Christian Trinity. Oneness adherents do not describe God as three persons but rather as three manifestations: they believe that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are manifestations or titles of the one, indivisible God. Oneness Pentecostals practice Jesus' Name Baptism, insisting that baptisms must be performed in the name of Jesus Christ, rather than that of the Trinity.

And the Word-of-faith and Creflo Dollar saying that we are little gods

Kenneth Hagin wrote that God "made us in the same class of being that he is himself," and that the believer is "called Christ" because "that's who we are, we're Christ!"[24] According to Hagin, by being "born again", the believer becomes "as much an incarnation as Jesus of Nazareth".[25] Kenneth Copeland says Adam was "not a little like God ... not almost like God ...",[26] and has told believers that "You don't have a God in you. You are one." Based primarily on the Psalms 82:6, which says "I have said, Ye are gods and all of you, children of the Most High"; this was also corroborated by Jesus making reference to this scripture in John 10:34.[27] A common theme in Word of Faith preaching is that God created man as "an exact duplication of God's kind." (Hebrews 1:3, John 14:12, etc.)[28] It should be noted that in all of this, there is no argument of man's ability to exist and operate independently of God but rather, the emphasis is on what the believer can become in God.[29]

And their Pentecostal belief that Jesus died spiritually

[Cronos]

And, of course, you must not use the term Proddy, Quix. While Pentecostals are considered distinct from the Protestant groupings, it is nice to call them Protestants, not Proddys.

[Cronos]

Well, no, all these new-fangled sects (note: sects, not churches, there is only ONE Church, the Apostolic Church) are just man-made errors. That's why you have so many differences in interpretations among these. In contrast there is ONE Interpretation as given directly by Christ through His Apostles.

Come, accept Christ, give up following the "pastor" and pastor-worship. Join Christ in His Church

[small voice in the wilderness]

Ahhhh..yesyesyes...Christ’s Church...The Church the Body of Christ..the One New Man..the one that began with the revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul..the one that was formed in the Dispensation of the Grace of God..the dispensation we are living in currently. The one that teaches completeness in the finished work of Christ. The one that teaches our inheritance in the heavenlies. the one that tells us to “study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth”. (2 Timothy 2:15).

[Uri’el-2012]

U-2012>: I read His Word with the illumination of the Ru'ach HaKodesh.

That is fascinating. The illuminati? And there is hidden meanings in the texts, right?

Perhaps you are not familiar with the word Illumination.

Or having the Holy Word of G-d illuminated by YHvH's Holy Spirit

It is very familiar to the followers of the Jewish Messiah and
those who seek the face of YHvH in His Holy Word,

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[small voice in the wilderness]

PASTOR WORSHIP?!?!?!?

YOU'RE KIDDING, RIGHT?

As a Pope cling-on, you must see the irony!

[Quix]

Irony seems to be a curious thing on these threads . . . particularly by the rabid clique types.

They produce enough irony to build QE2 sized pontoons for an 8 lane freeway from San Diego via Honolulu to Sydney

and yet are blind to seeing any out of their own mouths or fingers or in their own thinking.

Very curious.

[wmfights]

In contrast there is ONE Interpretation as given directly by Christ through His Apostles.

Fortunately for us they were inspired by God to write down what we need to know. History shows it wasn't long after they were gone before the judiazers crept back in with their works based salvation.

[aruanan]

History shows it wasn't long after they were gone before the judiazers crept back in with their works based salvation.

That and the legalism of John Calvin.

[small voice in the wilderness]

You’re right, it didn’t take long, did it? Satan never rests in his attempt to persuade man that the way to Heaven is through works. Hell is filled with good intentions. And getting fuller by the day.

[Cronos]

The Church founded by Christ, which sticks true to the faith taught by Christ through His Apostles, the Apostolic Church, yes

[Cronos]

I'm not kidding. And note this is not about Lutherans or Anglicans or Methodists or some other groups that make their services focus on the Word of God (though they do so with flaws). Pent-e-costal groups like Word-of-Faith, Benny Hinn and even Assemblies have a stage where the entire focus is on the pastor, where the pastor becomes the preacher cum miracle-worker at the same time, with no indication of God's grace.

If you are a memeber of the Pente-costals, you would attest to that, correct? Are you pente-costal?

[roamer_1]

Fortunately for us they were inspired by God to write down what we need to know. History shows it wasn't long after they were gone before the judiazers crept back in with their works based salvation.

...AND clerical hierarchy...

Nicolaitian=Conquer+Laity

[Cronos]

So, of course, you have no problem with the interpretation of the Pente-costals like the ones they say that you can lose your salvation or their belief in holy laughter and others that you must display talking in tongues as proof?

Would you ascribe to Kenneth Copeland's interpretation where Kenneth declares that God's reason for creating Adam was to reproduce Himself. Humans live on terms equal with God. They are even called little gods. Kenneth says, "You don't have a God in you. You are one"?

Why was the founder of Pente-costalism, Edward Irving, thrown out of the Presbyterian group because of his interpretation if you honestly believe that all individual interpretations are correct?

The oneness Pente-costals don't believe in the Trinity at all --> that's their interpretation. You wouldn't agree with that, would you?

[Iscool]

Exactly. Who are you, Brian to tell Uri what his rules for salvation are? And don't quote the Bible, Tradition or early Christian writers. They are all wrong if you contradict Uri.

I concur with that thought...But why do you guys insist on bringing the bible into it???

You have a perfectly good religion with your tradition and religious writers...Why skim the bible and pick verses that you think might support your religion and throw them out there like you guys have some sort of concept what the verses mean???

That's the comedy in this whole mess...The bible at face value condemns your Catholic religion...You guys don't even know what most of the bible says so you call it an allegory which means something other than what it says, but you don't know what the allegory means either...The word of God is a complete mystery to you guys...

The bible wasn't written to your religion or for your religion...

[Cronos]

But why do you guys insist on bringing the bible into it???

perhaps Uri can answer why he brings the bible into this -- Uri specifically says that we should not tell Uri what his rules for salvation are.

[Cronos]

Remember IsC, that the Bible was compiled together IN The Church. The scriptures are part of The Church, complete and utter -- if you separate the two you get what is happening inthe split-split Protestant, Baptist and Pente-cosatal groupings namely, a lack of God's grace and faith and ultimate demise.

By following the legalistic approach and separating God's grace from God's scripture from God's Church from God's Tradition from God's love and trying to look at things in the human fashion (i.e. individually), you end up where the ECUSA, ELCA, OPC, Mormons etc. are -- broken, so deviated from Christ's teachings that they are over the line differentiating Christianity from non-Christianity.

The Bible at face value enhances and supplements and complements The Church and Tradition, all three uniting in ONE.

The Word of God was written by God for His people, for His Church, the Church HE alone has looked after. How else can you explain The Church surviving 2000 years of heresies, warfare, political external pressure, internal corruption and cleansing etc.? It is not due to any human agency, but rather to God alone.

In contrast, all the heresies that broke away have died out -- even you who do not belong to a denomination (i.e. are outside The Church, since outside The Church you have denominations or worse, sects or cults), will see how your own personal interpretation on Baptism, the Eucharist, Episcopality, the nature of the Trinity, Salvation etc. differ from those who fit under the broadest definition of Protestant (which can be stretched to include even doubtfully Christian groups like Benny Hinn's Pent-s-costals, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists etc.)

[Uri’el-2012]

perhaps Uri can answer why he brings the bible into this -- Uri specifically says that we should not tell Uri what his rules for salvation are.

Are you familiar with the Word of G-d ?

Deu 5:20 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

What I said is I look to the Holy Word of G-d for His rules for salvation.

I do not look to man-made traditions which impugn the Holy Word of G-d.

Joe 2:32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of YHvH Will be delivered;

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of YHvH shall be saved.

Do you deny or impugn the Holy Word of G-d ?

Yah'shua ==> YHvH is(be) my salvation

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[wmfights]

Satan never rests in his attempt to persuade man that the way to Heaven is through works.

We see it everyday on this forum. The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is insufficient, the believer is expected to do more than have faith Alone in Christ Alone. Of course the churches that teach this also claim that they are the ones to determine what needs to be done.

[wmfights]

...AND clerical hierarchy...

Wonderful point. Those seeking special status separated the clergy from the congregation, claiming they have special powers and authority. It's easy to understand why they don't want Scripture to be the rule of the faith.