Ten Facts Most Catholics Don’t Know (But Should!)[OPEN thread (Start your engines!)]

[ROMAN] CATHOLIC EXCHANGE ^ | 9 JUL 2010 | GARY ZIMAK

[Iscool]

I don't accept your biases, and you don't accept mine, so the only common denominator we have is the writings of the early Christians. That's the only way we can measure which interpretations today have merit, and which are false gospels.

Or, you can forgo any interpretations and just believe what God says in the Scriptures which pretty much trashes the writing of your early Christians...

[small voice in the wilderness]

This is one of the most disingenious posts I've ever received. You actually believe that your church fosters unity among believers? Have you read the Title of this Thread? And this is just TEN FACTS. Read what other Catholics say regarding any of a number of beliefs you have. One says this is what you teach. ANother comes along and says, no this is what we believe. And someone else wanders in and it's something different yet again. The only thing you all have in common are the abilities to speak one way here and another way there. Please at least have the decency to not insult the words they we clearly see posted here, day after day.

It's a do-dah parade. the first brigade goes by lock-step in some point of order, then here comes the second brigade, synchronized in another point of the same order, then here comes yet another group with another view, yet still marching under the same banner. You guys DO march under the same banner. But you need to read what is says:

WE'RE NOT SURE

JUST WHAT WE KNOW

do-dah, do-dah.

[OpusatFR]

I’m jesting, ya big lug.

Seriously, I don’t read your stuff unless it makes sense.

And the usual blather is time consuming nonsense.

I know you are Christian, not sure if you are Trinitarian because of the Pentecostal beliefs, some are, some are not.

But...do not deny my Christianity and relationship with God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit because THAT is not your place to ascertain.

And that, Horatio, is what I see you doing on these boards; denying another’s relationship with God because you have no idea of that person’s listening skills.

AND I listen very very well to HIM because HE does let me know what HE wants me to know.

[Quix]

INCORRECT ASSERTIONS, ASSUMPTIONS AND ALLEGATIONS

AGAIN.

1. I don’t know what’s on anyone’s mind precisely—much less what’s on anyone’s heart and much much less what’s precisely going on between them and God.

2. I can assert what things appear to be to me and what things appear to indicate, TO ME.

3. I can also assert comparisons between what folks say vs what folks do.

4. I can also assert comparisons between what folks say at point “A” in time vs point “M” in time—and between context “Z” vs context “Y.”

5. I can also assert comparisons between what persons “A,” “D,” “G,” and “R” say are their beliefs given that they are part of the same organization—e.g. the Vatican system.

6. I can also assert comparisons between organizational dogma of organizations purporting to be Christian in comparison to what Scripture says, TO ME.

7. I can also compare dictionaries and histories used by Proddys vs those used by RC’s.

8. I hope and pray you do have a vibrant authentic dynamic RELATIONSHIP WITH ALMIGHTY GOD THROUGH HIS SON JESUS THE CHRIST WITH THE NURTURANCE AND ASSISTANCE OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT. I AM VERY TRINITARIAN.

[Cronos]

Sometimes
IT'S
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HUMOROUS
when folks brazenly display
their outrageous reality mangling & distortions in editing articles (this thread is a case in point)!

[Quix]

INDEED. WELL PUT.

It’s a wonder Proddys don’t have chronic whip-lash trying to stay up with the ephemeral dogmas of the RC’s hereon.

[Quix]

Or, you can forgo any interpretations and just believe what God says in the Scriptures which pretty much trashes the writing of your early Christians...

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AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

[Cronos]

Oh, you mean de-consecrated buildings? Could be, could be. However The Church is not just consecrated buildings -- it is the living community that has been taught the faith of Christ through the Apostles.

Would you really call Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn and co as "biblically sound" -- even though they are Pent-a-coastals.

Like the rest of that song-and-dance-with-no-theology crowd, their dogma is strongly non-Christian

It would be better for these Pent-a-costals to accept Christ and not just hanker after their pastor.

Don't you think it obscene how all these Pent-a-costals glorify their preachers and minimize Christ?

And thanks for mentioning how the Church has been out there actively doing missionary work and bringing Christ's word to all, while at the same time trying to prevent non-Christian groupings like the Word-of-God penta-costals and their multiple gods teachings from spreading like a canker among the new Christians

[OpusatFR]

“I AM VERY TRINITARIAN.”

That’s good. Some of the Pentecostal anti-Trinitarian stuff gives me the willies.

Nitey night.

[Cronos]

Uri: You will not have salvation until you ask YHvH for His salvation.

Dr. Brian: Then anyone who dies before the age of reason is damned to hell?

Of course not. Salvation is a free gift, not one accomplished by our works (i.e., accepting, asking, etc.)

That's why Christianity from the times of the Apostles has had infant Baptism.

But how can you say that Christianity has had infant Baptism right from the times of the Apostles? Ok, I know in the Bible the Apostles baptised an entire family and at no point does the Bible say that infants should not be baptised. And, I know that Origen and earlier Christian writers including Ignatius from the 1st century wrote about infant baptism.

BUT, the groups that were formed in the 19th and 20th century say that this didn't happen! Who are you going to believe? A group that's less than 100 years old or The Church founded by the Apostles and teaching the Apostolic faith as handed down from Christ through His Apostles?

[Cronos]

There can only be ONE proper interpretation of Scripture. Any "spirit" that inspires tens of thousands of competing interpretations is not the Holy Spirit.

How dare you say that the proper interpretation of Scripture as handed down from Christ through His apostles is the only proper interpretation? What about Billy-Nilly and the Western-Central PresbylutherBaptist group of Scientific Christadelphians that was formed last week? Who says they don't have the right interpretation?

[Cronos]

The Church is not just the Popes. we’ve had corrupt popes, priests, laity etc., but the Holy Spirit guides His Church as a whole. That’s why The Church has survived while heresies from the Arians to now the Mainstream protestant groupings have diead out. A quote said that most heresies run out of steam in 500 odd years. This is visible in the first generation Protestant groupings. The new groupings that date to just the 19th and 20th centuries will have a shorter life.

[Quix]

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[Cronos]

Dr. Brian That's why Christianity from the times of the Apostles has had infant Baptism.

Uri: Who are you to tell the creator of the universe what His Rules for salvation are ?

Exactly. Who are you, Brian to tell Uri what his rules for salvation are? And don't quote the Bible, Tradition or early Christian writers. They are all wrong if you contradict Uri.

[Cronos]

My cohorts hereon

What do you call these cohort spawn of yours?

[Cronos]

but where do the UFOs come from? Are these from within the solar system? Are they from the Milky Way? Or outside? Puzzling.

[small voice in the wilderness]

I will tell you this, if they are depending on God's Word and His Word alone to begin their church, they are MILES ahead of your doctrines of men, and traditions of endless tripe.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to know. being bound by chains of religion, you've grown accustomed to the festering sores of commandments of men. One more thing: God is not impressed with your suffering for the cause. It's a man-made cause with an ending that begs for another chance. But there are no do-overs. And once you've heard the truth, you cannot claim ignorance.

[Cronos]

Uri: I read His Word with the illumination of the Ru'ach HaKodesh.

That is fascinating. The illuminati? And there is hidden meanings in the texts, right?

[Cronos]

You actually believe that your church fosters unity among believers

well, firstly, it's Christ's Church. And yes, the ONE CAtholic and Apostolic Church (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental, Assyrian) does foster unity among believers. Among non-believers who follow incorrect interpretations like Marcionites, Montanists, Paulicians etc., we dont' want "unity"

[Cronos]

Well, Pente-costals like those following Benny Hinn and the other Word-of-God groups do not believe in the Trinity. BEnny believes in 9 gods I think, while the Word-of-God seems to believe in the same. These Pent-e-costal groups are not Christian, no more than Mormons.

They wouldn't ascribe to the beliefs encapsulated in the Nicene Creed