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The Dalai Lama on violence
Guardian UK ^ | 21 June 2010 | Andrew Brown

Posted on 07/11/2010 9:09:05 PM PDT by Lorianne

The Dalai Lama has sent a message of support for Armed Forces Day, which is next Saturday. In it, he writes of his admiration for the military. That is perhaps not so surprising. As he explains, there are many parallels between being a monk and being a soldier – the need for discipline, companionship, and inner strength.

But his support will take some of his western admirers by surprise, not least when it comes to his thoughts on non-violence.

Attitudes towards violence in Buddhism are enormously complex. There are some traditions that argue aggression, and killing in particular, is always wrong. But there are others which argue that killing can be good, when executed by a spiritually skilled practitioner who can do so with the right motivation. Tibetan Buddhism falls squarely into the latter tradition, and previous incarnations of the Dalai Lama have been such practitioners. The 13th, for example, modernised the Tibetan army.

What the present Dalai Lama argues, in his message of support, is that violence and non-violence are not always what they seem. "Sweet words" can be violent, he explains, when they intend harm. Conversely, "harsh and tough action" can be non-violent when it aims at the wellbeing of others. In short, violence – "harsh and tough action" – can be attitudinally non-violent. So what should we make of that?

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TOPICS: Eastern Religions; General Discusssion; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: ahimsa; armedforcesday; buddhism; buddhist; dalai; dalailama; lama; nonviolence; skillfulmeans; tibet; tibetan; violence
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To: John Valentine

Just those that think that the Dalai Lama will save them from all the violence... Just ignorant thinking to me...

Sorry, but people who think like that are living in a world all to their own.


21 posted on 07/12/2010 12:00:46 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: John Valentine
LOL That abbot sounds like he has a similar way with words as my teacher. Of course my teacher had the benefit of a hitch in the Marines to refine his manner of speaking. Makes for some interesting teachings. ;^)

You have been a practitioner for a long time. La jyalo! 12 years for me.

Despite Buddhism being beset everywhere with the sappiest of fawning zombie liberals, none of these people have the remotest clue what the Dharma is all about.

I asked about that once. The answer was so simple as to be obvious. The Dharma is medicine for those who need it. Who is more in need of medicine for the mind than a liberal? Of course no one is forced to take it even though it doesn't do much just sitting in the medicine cabinet.

22 posted on 07/12/2010 12:16:44 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Deagle
Yes, I say, let the enemy kill us and lets just get along.. I just can’t understand why anyone would question that...

Some people might consider it ignorance to assign the exact opposite meaning to what someone had said. ;-)

23 posted on 07/12/2010 12:19:57 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

Ah, yes they might... except this is exactly what the believers here in the wonderful Dalai Lama think. You do have to understand that stupid is stupid (ala Forest Gump).


24 posted on 07/12/2010 12:23:59 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

I haven’t seen a single person say that. Including the Dalai Lama who was quoted as saying just the opposite in the article.


25 posted on 07/12/2010 12:25:30 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

Right... Peace on Earth... Long live the good! Evil be banished!.. What else do you want to hear?

Please, this kind of worship is no better than those in the 60’s that painted flowers on their autos and spread their fingers in peace whenever they could. Just a lot of crap!

He can be for peace all he wants, but it is not going to happen in my lifetime!


26 posted on 07/12/2010 12:30:32 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

I don’t know what the heck you’re talking about. The Dalai Lama didn’t say anything remotely like that and neither has anyone on this thread.


27 posted on 07/12/2010 12:33:18 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

Call it my antagonism against this kind of people worship. This does get my dander up - don’t understand why people will put other people on a totem pole and worship them. Oh well, people do need their gods, even though it is an idol or just another human being..


28 posted on 07/12/2010 12:38:58 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle
Sorry, but people who think like that are living in a world all to their own.

No need to apologize to me for that statement. That's my thinking to a tee.

29 posted on 07/12/2010 12:43:48 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Deagle

There are no gods in Buddhism and no one worships people. You are misinformed.


30 posted on 07/12/2010 12:44:03 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

Heh, okay, no more talk about your Dalai Lama then okay? Works for me...


31 posted on 07/12/2010 12:47:55 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle
Call it my antagonism against this kind of people worship.

Buddhists do NOT worship the Dalai Lama. Those fawning individuals that you are referring to haven't the slightest clue what Buddhism or the Dalai Lama are all about, to say nothing of LongChenpa or the inestimable Milarepa, or any of today's brilliant teachers, NONE of whom are advocating worship of people - ANY people.

32 posted on 07/12/2010 12:49:12 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Deagle

I think you have Al Gore and the Dalai Lama confused.


33 posted on 07/12/2010 12:50:42 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Deagle
He is not my Dalai Lama. I don't really care what he says about anything. But when he speaks about Tibetan Buddhism he does speak with the authority of many years of practice and loads of teachings and study. On other subjects? ... not so much.
34 posted on 07/12/2010 12:52:50 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: John Valentine

Well, it’s nice to see you coming out for your cause... I expect that there will be no more mention of the Dalai Lama in the future... Let’s see just how that works out...hah.

After all, he is just a man and of no significance...


35 posted on 07/12/2010 12:53:10 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Sorry, you gave it away there.. He is significant to you and why I have no idea... Just another individual in a lonely place (due to politics)...


36 posted on 07/12/2010 12:55:31 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

There is no ‘cause.’ Just cause and effect. lol


37 posted on 07/12/2010 12:56:43 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Lorianne

The thing people don’t get is that buddhism is not so ultra-ahimsa (non-violence) as it’s predecessor religion: Jainism. The Jains take non-violence to an extreme, having no animal products and aiming not to even harm insects or bacteria.


38 posted on 07/12/2010 1:00:10 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: TigersEye

That is one of the best things said tonight! Yes, and it does depend only upon your reaction. Not anybody else...


39 posted on 07/12/2010 1:01:46 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

That is what Buddhism is. That is all that Buddhism is.


40 posted on 07/12/2010 1:03:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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