Posted on 07/11/2010 10:58:32 AM PDT by NYer
Sunday discussion ping!
Traditions equal man made religion or more accurately superstition.
At the time that Paul wrote this, what traditions could he have been talking about? He was talking about the Jewish precepts that are in line with the his teachings and teachings of Christ. He certainly wasn’t talking about the traditions of Rome, which came from paganism, was he?
I don't see any apostles today walking around.... These were chosen men, ‘the twelve’, specifically selected by Christ. Their work was to clarify and help put away the various ‘pagan beliefs’ prominent at that time, as well as help the church to teach and set straight the arguments and differences accordingly. They did not have the New Testament in it's entire....we do.
Yah'shua rebuked the Pharisees because they impugnedshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
scriptures with man made tradition."It is written"
See Deut. 29:27; Jos. 1:8; 8:31; 10:13; 23:6; 2 Sam. 1:18; 2 Ki. 23:21; 2 Chr. 23:18; 25:4; 31:3; 35:12; Ezr. 3:2, 4; 6:2, 18; Neh. 6:6; 8:15; 10:34, 36; Est. 1:19; 8:8f; Ps. 40:7; Isa. 65:6; Jer. 17:1; 25:13; Dan. 9:13; Matt. 4:4, 6, 10; 11:10; 21:13; 26:24, 31; Mk. 1:2; 7:6; 9:12f; 11:17; 14:21, 27; Lk. 2:23; 3:4; 4:4, 8, 10; 7:27; 10:26; 19:46; 24:46; Jn. 6:31, 45; 8:17; 12:14; Acts 1:20; 7:42; 13:33; 15:15; 23:5; Rom. 1:17; 2:24; 3:4, 10; 4:17; 8:36; 9:13, 33; 10:15; 11:8, 26; 12:19; 14:11; 15:3, 9, 21; 1 Co. 1:19, 31; 2:9; 3:19; 9:9f; 10:7; 14:21; 15:45; 2 Co. 8:15; 9:9; Gal. 3:10, 13; 4:22, 27; Heb. 10:7; 1 Pet. 1:16; 5:12; 1 Jn. 2:21; Rev. 1:3
Try the very end of the last book:
Rev 22: 18-19 “I warn anyone that hears the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, G-d will add to him the plagues described in this book. And, if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, G-d will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”
There is no difference in spurious additions made by some pope, or Joseph Smith. Both are of the same category.
The Bible can be confusing to some for instance the writings of James seem to sometimes be the opposite of Paul's until one learns that James is talking to strictly Jews (Israel) and Paul is talking to the new Church (bride of Christ) This is important when you get to "works" vs "grace". That is why there is a verse telling us that we should "rightly dividing the word".
Matt 15: 3 - 9 “Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of G-d for the sake of your tradition? For G-d said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to G-d,’ he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus, you nullify the word of G-d for the sake of your traditions. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right about you: ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’
Jesus has a word for people that place tradition on equal ground with Scripture: hypocrite.
How does James writing to the tribes in dispersion modify the meaning of “so you see that (a) man is justified by works, and not by faith alone”?
I think it is an extra-Scriptural interpretation to go from "traditions of men" to "All traditions are merely traditions of men." In other words, that interpretation is NOT "sola Scriptura.
We see their successors, whom they appointed.
There was no codified bible. In Mark 13:31, we read that heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.
It is a man-made tradition to apply a verse about one book or scroll in a collection of scrolls to every scroll in that collection.
The Catholic Church just can’t get over the fact that the Word of God alone can free men’s souls and they no longer have power over their salvation
Gal. 2:7 ...when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed to me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter (and the other Apostles)
This should be interesting..I think I’ll just read along here for a while..
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