Where Is That Taught in the Bible?

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[NYer]

Sunday discussion ping!

[mountn man]

Traditions equal man made religion or more accurately superstition.

[william clark]

The 2 Thessalonians passage answers the question quite nicely. It is in the past tense, and codifies within the bounds of scripture those things that had been, to that point, taught by the Apostles. No great linguistic difficulty here.

[righttackle44]

At the time that Paul wrote this, what traditions could he have been talking about? He was talking about the Jewish precepts that are in line with the his teachings and teachings of Christ. He certainly wasn’t talking about the traditions of Rome, which came from paganism, was he?

[caww]

......”taught by us’....US being the key word.

I don't see any apostles today walking around.... These were chosen men, ‘the twelve’, specifically selected by Christ. Their work was to clarify and help put away the various ‘pagan beliefs’ prominent at that time, as well as help the church to teach and set straight the arguments and differences accordingly. They did not have the New Testament in it's entire....we do.

[Uri’el-2012]

Yah'shua rebuked the Pharisees because they impugned
scriptures with man made tradition.

"It is written"
See Deut. 29:27; Jos. 1:8; 8:31; 10:13; 23:6; 2 Sam. 1:18; 2 Ki. 23:21; 2 Chr. 23:18; 25:4; 31:3; 35:12; Ezr. 3:2, 4; 6:2, 18; Neh. 6:6; 8:15; 10:34, 36; Est. 1:19; 8:8f; Ps. 40:7; Isa. 65:6; Jer. 17:1; 25:13; Dan. 9:13; Matt. 4:4, 6, 10; 11:10; 21:13; 26:24, 31; Mk. 1:2; 7:6; 9:12f; 11:17; 14:21, 27; Lk. 2:23; 3:4; 4:4, 8, 10; 7:27; 10:26; 19:46; 24:46; Jn. 6:31, 45; 8:17; 12:14; Acts 1:20; 7:42; 13:33; 15:15; 23:5; Rom. 1:17; 2:24; 3:4, 10; 4:17; 8:36; 9:13, 33; 10:15; 11:8, 26; 12:19; 14:11; 15:3, 9, 21; 1 Co. 1:19, 31; 2:9; 3:19; 9:9f; 10:7; 14:21; 15:45; 2 Co. 8:15; 9:9; Gal. 3:10, 13; 4:22, 27; Heb. 10:7; 1 Pet. 1:16; 5:12; 1 Jn. 2:21; Rev. 1:3

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[ziravan]

Try the very end of the last book:

Rev 22: 18-19 “I warn anyone that hears the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, G-d will add to him the plagues described in this book. And, if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, G-d will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”

There is no difference in spurious additions made by some pope, or Joseph Smith. Both are of the same category.

[fish hawk]

True that the Bible has everything in it that we need to know without going to church but it is a good thing to worship with other like minded believers and have a pastor/teacher who is schooled in the scriptures, especially the biblical languages, to guide us.

The Bible can be confusing to some for instance the writings of James seem to sometimes be the opposite of Paul's until one learns that James is talking to strictly Jews (Israel) and Paul is talking to the new Church (bride of Christ) This is important when you get to "works" vs "grace". That is why there is a verse telling us that we should "rightly dividing the word".

[ziravan]

Matt 15: 3 - 9 “Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of G-d for the sake of your tradition? For G-d said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to G-d,’ he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus, you nullify the word of G-d for the sake of your traditions. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right about you: ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’

Jesus has a word for people that place tradition on equal ground with Scripture: hypocrite.

[Mad Dawg]

How does James writing to the tribes in dispersion modify the meaning of “so you see that (a) man is justified by works, and not by faith alone”?

[Mad Dawg]

Traditions equal man made religion or more accurately superstition.

I think it is an extra-Scriptural interpretation to go from "traditions of men" to "All traditions are merely traditions of men." In other words, that interpretation is NOT "sola Scriptura.

[Mad Dawg]

I don't see any apostles today walking around

We see their successors, whom they appointed.

[Mad Dawg]

One man made tradition is to suppose that when Jesus said "for the sake of your tradition," he was talking about ALL tradition.

[NYer]

At the time that Paul wrote this, what traditions could he have been talking about?

There was no codified bible. In Mark 13:31, we read that heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.

[Mad Dawg]

It is a man-made tradition to apply a verse about one book or scroll in a collection of scrolls to every scroll in that collection.

[Popman]

The Catholic Church just can’t get over the fact that the Word of God alone can free men’s souls and they no longer have power over their salvation

[fish hawk]

Because Paul, who is writing to you says that by faith only through grace is the key. Works are a good thing but without faith they are filthy rags.

Gal. 2:7 ...when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed to me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter (and the other Apostles)

[small voice in the wilderness]

This should be interesting..I think I’ll just read along here for a while..

[caww]

Wrong...you catholics just cannot get the history right...first they weren't catholic bishops...and your argument Jesus never said his words would be in one book are beyond laughable...that would mean any author throughout the ages has dibs on stating they are scripture breathed...and in fact many did just that in the dark ages where much of the phoney writings came about...then every type of sorcery and witchcraft was as popular as our rockstars today...on every corner and in every house. It is no wonder fairy tales and the magic arts etc. infiltrated the church....and many of these never left and are still practiced by many in the catholic church....fortunately there are others who do not who are catholic and won't adhere to those practices.