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To: righttackle44; caww; ziravan
At the time that Paul wrote this, what traditions could he have been talking about?

There was no codified bible. In Mark 13:31, we read that heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.

15 posted on 07/11/2010 11:39:17 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: NYer
Wrong...you catholics just cannot get the history right...first they weren't catholic bishops...and your argument Jesus never said his words would be in one book are beyond laughable...that would mean any author throughout the ages has dibs on stating they are scripture breathed...and in fact many did just that in the dark ages where much of the phoney writings came about...then every type of sorcery and witchcraft was as popular as our rockstars today...on every corner and in every house. It is no wonder fairy tales and the magic arts etc. infiltrated the church....and many of these never left and are still practiced by many in the catholic church....fortunately there are others who do not who are catholic and won't adhere to those practices.
20 posted on 07/11/2010 11:58:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: NYer
I think its important to note that St. Jerome translated the Bible into latin around 400 ad. Before that everything was Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The early church had what we call the Old Testament They also would have accounts of the Gospels and maybe even some of Pauls letters passed on. Its important to note, That EVEN if teachings were passed on orally, those teachings still fall under the authority of scripture. In other words, if a pastor or elder at a church or synangogue would teach something, and then later a letter of Paul arrives teaching something different, well its obvious Pauls letter would trump whatever oral teaching there was.

This was the problem Luther had and the start of the reformation. Luther didn't simply decide he didn't like the Catholic church, he saw discrepancies between what the church was teaching and what was in the Bible.

Now you can try to villify Luther if you want, but its hard to objectively argue facts. Luther saw a discrepancy and voiced it. The Catholic church didn't like it and ordered him to recant. He refused, under expulsion and threat of death.

Next, when the printing press came about, the Catholic chuch feared it because of the loss of absolute control of the people. Now the people could read for themselves, and not rely on the priests. It also exposed the teachings that weren't congruant with the Bible.

40 posted on 07/11/2010 1:25:40 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: NYer

And God allowed the printing press to be invented because the “bishops” had stopped preaching the word God as found in scripture having corrupting the message of salvation. The Bible was literally taken out of the hands of the Bishops and over time was translated vernacularly to growing numbers who were learning to read and write. The church was more interested in politicking and temporal king making then they were preparing the sheep to be citizens of Christ’s Kingdom. Christ’s Kingdom is not of this world and the Roman Catholics forgot that!


91 posted on 07/11/2010 4:40:15 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: NYer
There was no codified bible. In Mark 13:31, we read that heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.

Before Mark 13:31 and we can only speculate those that put the WORDS together did so chronologically, Christ says in Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

Now not one WORD of the "NEW" had been penned when Christ spoke these WORDS and yet Christ said He had foretold all things... And NONE of man's traditions had been set in motion yet.... I can't wait for the face to face when the 'vitamin analogy gets judged'.

164 posted on 07/11/2010 11:36:22 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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