Posted on 07/08/2010 8:54:20 AM PDT by 0beron
Edited on 07/08/2010 9:57:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
"Vatican Officials" say a lot of things. This man who is said to be an expert in demonology also claims to be an expert on the phenomenon of intelligent extraterrestrial life. We say they are supernatural in origin and the appearance of strange and foreboding lights in the sky are unfavorable signs.
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia (governing body), and an insider close to the Pope, has gone on Italiannational television five times, including recent months, to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. Balducci provided an analysis of extraterrestrials that he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters "are NOT demonic, they are NOT due topsychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully." Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican , and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, [Like the historical propensity for the press to be leftist deceivers who herald new phenomena like Communism as saviours of mankind.] his stating that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.
Balducci revealed to a visiting American professional that the Vatican is closely following this phenomenon quietly. My informant originally surmised that the Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its Nunciatures (embassies) in various countries.
It is not impervious to them, as one can see from the evidence.
Unlike many hereabouts, I love the Catholic Church and, though not a Catholic, I have considered and still do consider conversion.
But make no mistake about it...Satan and his forces are striking at the heart of Christianity in all its denominations.
As a student of medieval history, I can say that the Catholic Church made grave errors and so did the Protestant reformation. In fact, without the Protestant Reformation, there wouldn't have been the Catholic Reformation.
I know you love the Church because you tag lines tells us so...
But in the end, there is only Yeshuah...and all these human constructs, however wonderful to us in our human existence, are, in all their human error, swept away!
We humans, filled with the Holy Spirit, are still vulnerable...we are still sinful and fallen. We are still at war.
There is only one name under heaven which is perfect and all powerful...
Yeshuah!
You are the only one here attempting to prove or disprove them. Knock yourself out.
Point taken. I would counterpoint with the reminder that these are testimonials and we do not have proof of experiences, at least not as they report.
Hallucinations...possibly. But they have been strangely uniform from person to person...and that would suggest a common source cause. Drugs...no (Mack tested for this variable). And mental illness...Mack eliminated anyone from his huge sample who exhibited any symptoms.
The JEMI website is a tribute to Mack, with an emphasis on UFOs and alien abductions. Interesting.
By the way, when something hits the popular culture, or popular imagination, such as witch sightings, it becomes widespread. Didn't these sightings start in the 40's and 50's?
You need to submerge yourself in the evidence instead of guessing from a distance.
I suppose I could, but which subject should I choose? There are millions of charlatans with millions of scams out there. Which should I investigate first?
You strike me as a serious but open minded person (that is open to empirical reasoning and examination of evidence).
I am an engineer. If somebody has a better widget or mousetrap in a field in which I am interested, I get interested very quickly. But if somebody tells me that they have a better mousetrap and when I ask them for proof, they reply that I have to prove that it isn't a better mousetrap, my interest wanes.
Your comment "most of them falsely" is something you have conjured without evidence.
I did not say "most of them falsely". I said "many of them falsely". Many circumstantial evidence convictions are later overturned because of the lack of real evidence. DNA evidence is doing wonders in the conviction of the guilty and the freeing of the innocent.
BTW, I pinged Quix on this thread because he is by education a shrink and will correct me if I have strayed from good scholarship in my analysis.
Certainly. Yet I would err on the side of logic and reason for the things of this Earth. As for the spiritual? Why would demonic forces kidnap people and perform medical experiments on them? That makes even less sense, on the surface of it, than space aliens that cannot be found in the light of day.
There is one situation in which I can think of in which there is some commonality of "hallucination" and that is in those churches based around the use of DMT (dimethyltryptamine). Such churches (the Santo Daime of South America and New Mexico--for the time being) us DMT as a tea to create a type of religious experience.
If I am not mistaken, such usage of DMT in the U.S. is now legal.
Oh, and BTW, these common hallucinations have a regular incidence of contact with previously mentioned aliens known as "grays"!
See your private mail for an additional note.
You may wish to read the title of the thread, the article, and the posts...
Go back to first year studies of faith. Pistis is also known as doctrine.
I suppose I could, but which subject should I choose?
As a mathematics major (econometrics at the grad level), I appreciate and share your demanding nature.
Unfortunately for me, my minor and real love was psychology...hence my fascination with the behavioral aspect of this issue.
I think if you read something about John Mack and his research you will significantly expand your understanding of this field. He was, like you, a scientist (he was a medical doctor whose specialty at Harvard was psychiatry). He risked everything to study patients who believed they had been abducted. He saw it as a psychiatric phenomenon at first. As he delved into the subject matter, his opinion changed. I think yours will also.
As I have suggest before...push away the chaff and focus on the wheat!
The Book of Enoch, carried by a disciple or two, was/is considered canonical (at least by those who can read the original languages) for a good long time, and has an amazing history...
Enoch 2:
5 And all shall be smitten with fear
..........And the Watchers shall quake,
..........And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.
I'm following the thread, and I agree with Mark; does that count?
If you want to prove or disprove the eyewitness accounts of others, especially when they appear to manifest spiritual phenomenon, knock yourself out. There are consequences for all things in our lives.
For myself, I encourage others to consider what Christ has provided for all mankind and that through faith in Him, no matter what the situation, we have power to resist whatever temptation might be thrown our way.
More than plausible.
The usual translation is faith or faithfulness. Not doctrine. It could mean the conviction of the truth of anything that you could care to name.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/pistis.html says that: conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it.
Pistis does not mean what you say it means.
I find your whole post quite reasonable and accurate . . .
except for the comment about open mindedness.
I shall endeavour to do so. A most fascinating conversation, sir.
Nope. You and I don't HHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAALLLLLLL and then fall down quivering in front of the cameras.
As one matures, one can distinguish the difference between open and empty...
Great points. Thanks.
Folks are still grossssssly underestimating the degree to which . . .
the evidence
already indicates that the Vatican is labeling the fallen angels as benign or friendly.
That is heresy, looooooooonacy, UNBiblical, demonized nonsense.
For me, that just about totally wraps up the issue, the question of whether the Vatican has or will throw in its lot with the globalists, or not.
The die is cast. They have and will highly likely increasingly demonstrate that in
incrementally tiny mass sheeple mind-shaping/mind control ways at a faster and faster clip.
A question . . .
don’t folks have to be ABLE to hit something
in order to be able to knock themselves out?
True enough.
And . . . I, myself, left out the cases where the craft & critters appear to have the capacity to place in a group of folks’ minds identical or very close to identical images, voices, tastes, smells etc. . . . either technologically or spiritually.
However, that’s also not what the naysayers are talking about. The naysayers are insisting that a group of people on their own agency arrive at a common to identical group consensus type hallucination without communicating about same.
No. That doesn’t happen. At least I’ve never read of a convincing case of such.
1. The Attic Greek word PISTIS is used in the sense of trusting.
2. The adj. PISTOS has the connotation of being worthy of trust.
3. In the Attic Greek, PISTIS was used as an abstract noun for confidence, trust, certainty, and conviction.
4. The Stoics used PISTIS for reliability or faithfulness.
5. In the Koine Greek of the New Testament PISTIS has 3 meanings.
a. As an attribute, or what causes faith, it is translated reliability or faithfulness.
b. As a non-meritorious system of perception, which emphasizes the object of faith, such as Christ in salvation, it is translated "faith."
c. It also means that which is believed, the content of faith, the body of belief, and so is translated "doctrine."
Ex: 2 Pet 1:1, Jude 3, 1 Tim 4:6, Gal 2:20 and Heb 11:1 Acts 6:7; Eph 4:5
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