Posted on 07/08/2010 8:54:20 AM PDT by 0beron
Edited on 07/08/2010 9:57:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
"Vatican Officials" say a lot of things. This man who is said to be an expert in demonology also claims to be an expert on the phenomenon of intelligent extraterrestrial life. We say they are supernatural in origin and the appearance of strange and foreboding lights in the sky are unfavorable signs.
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia (governing body), and an insider close to the Pope, has gone on Italiannational television five times, including recent months, to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. Balducci provided an analysis of extraterrestrials that he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters "are NOT demonic, they are NOT due topsychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully." Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican , and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, [Like the historical propensity for the press to be leftist deceivers who herald new phenomena like Communism as saviours of mankind.] his stating that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.
Balducci revealed to a visiting American professional that the Vatican is closely following this phenomenon quietly. My informant originally surmised that the Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its Nunciatures (embassies) in various countries.
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1. Picking up a rock to throw at it and the craft evidently responding to that is not all that uncommon. In cases where rocks have successfully been thrown at a craft that close, some have seemed to hit something solid. Most seem to have hit a force field and fallen to the ground accordingly. IIRC, the rock has seemed to be repelled back as though bouncing off a trampoline or being repelled back with some sort of force or energy greater than it was thrown with.
2. Interesting that the dog quieted down at that point.
3. Feeling warm fuzzy feelings or positive feelings toward the craft is very common. It appears to particularly be the case when such craft are within specific distance parameters. There is a lot of evidence that the craft ‘drivers’ can inject, trigger such FEELINGS and even such thoughts on the part of the observers that are within “range.”
4. Most folks speak of those feelings kind of ‘coming over them’ or ‘down over them.’ Those feelings also lift suddenly when the craft moves out of range, or the people do.
5. What other experiences would he be willing to report on, of such a nature?
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There probably aren’t any Scriptures directly referencing these, although by study of Bible doctrine, and then applying it to any situation within which we find ourselves, there always is a way to remain in fellowship with God and perform by His Plan in that situation.
The reports given by eyewitnesses tend to indicate these are creatures with an ability to communicate “telepathically” or perhaps more directly as spiritual persons. If they are indeed a class of angelic being, then these reports are consistent with them being spiritual entities.
The military first said they had nothing going on in the area then, later recanted.
With all the air bases around the area and Ft. Hood just to the south, anything is possible.
Genesis 6 etc.
talks about the fallen angels . . .
I forget if it’s Genesis or Enoch or both that talk about the fallen angels being killed in Noah’s flood in part because they were giving man forbidden war-making technologies.
GUESS WHAT, GROUP . . .
THEY HAVE BEEN AT IT AGAIN FOR AT LEAST 60 YEARS.
Disproving a negative is a rational argument, which has nothing to do with the topic being investigated here.
If spiritual deception were as simple as disproving a negative, there wouldn’t be any consequences. There is nothing preventing any person from simply identifying ET’s and UFOs as lunatic fringe and senile imaginations. Then again, if one is serious about the spiritual domain in which they might find themselves, it still is under the domain of Christ Jesus in the Final Judgment.
While exposure to deceiving spirits and fallen angels is indeed associated with negative consequences, there still remains that which He provides for all believers through faith in Christ.
Probably? There aren't, except for what nutcases like Herbert W. Armstrong tried to conjure up out of Revelation and try to relate them to bits of the OT.
although by study of Bible doctrine, and then applying it to any situation within which we find ourselves, there always is a way to remain in fellowship with God and perform by His Plan in that situation.
Umm, there isn't any such thing as Bible doctrine. Simple empirical proof of that is the virtually unlimited personal interpretations of Scripture. That is why the Creeds and the Catechism had to be written.
The reports given by eyewitnesses tend to indicate these are creatures with an ability to communicate “telepathically” or perhaps more directly as spiritual persons. If they are indeed a class of angelic being, then these reports are consistent with them being spiritual entities.
It would be very interesting if we actually had evidence that would stand up in a court of law, for example, other than what is either a fantastic alien invasion or else hallucination.
Are you saying that this topic is irrational? If spiritual deception were as simple as disproving a negative, there wouldn’t be any consequences.
If? There are people making claims and getting all bent out of shape when asked for proof. And then responding with variations on "prove that they aren't real".
There is nothing preventing any person from simply identifying ET’s and UFOs as lunatic fringe and senile imaginations. Then again, if one is serious about the spiritual domain in which they might find themselves, it still is under the domain of Christ Jesus in the Final Judgment.
I notice the easy way that your excerpt implies that not only are the space aliens real, but anyone that doesn't accept that they are exist are up against Jesus. The mention of the Final Judgement is nice, too.
I will remind you though, that the Earth is currently under the rule of the opposer.
While exposure to deceiving spirits and fallen angels is indeed associated with negative consequences, there still remains that which He provides for all believers through faith in Christ.
What does that have to do with proving the existence of space aliens?
Many people have been convicted by circumstantial evidence. And in this case we have eyewitness reports.
Now as to what to make of the eyewitness reports, there is no precedent...but that doesn't mean such reports can be dismissed out of hand.
And before all those eyewitness accounts for which there is a precedent, there is always the first one...for which there is NO precedent.
As far as I can tell, this matter is being subjected to empirical examination rather sloppily because no one has taken an accusation of crime to court AND, on the scientific front, there has been nothing to be gained by solving the mystery.
Actually, on the scientific front, there is much to be lost by simply considering or mentioning this conundrum.
As far as I can tell, this particular mystery has rather conveniently slipped between the cracks.
It reminds me of the way Obama operates. He breaks the law on a regular basis...but not in a way that can result in litigation (particular considering that he controls the DOJ).
My motive for bringing Obama into this analysis is that there is a surreptitiousness in both the way Obama operates and the way these so-called "aliens" operate.
Funny also that (as far as I can tell) all abductees agree on one point...the "grays" are, first and last, liars.
Same can be said about Obama. Lying seems to be something he just can't resist. For Obama, lying is an obsession.
I know I just made a quantum leap in connecting Obama to this phenomenon...but there is a connection.
Two major (and hugely enigmatic and inexplicable) influences share a connection.
Is that connection valid? Or is it just a coincidence?
That is the question...and I don't have the answer.
But because I don't have the answer does not mean the question itself is not valid.
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It’s somewhat fascinating . . . a bit . . .
to observe the way “hallucination” is thrown around in this topic area.
There’s even the laughable term “group hallucination.”
By definition, hallucination is an idiosyncratic INDIVIDUAL term.
No two hallucinations are identical. And the notion that a group of individuals, much less of a hundred or more people are going to have an essentially identical hallucination is absurdly and outrageously ridiculous at the outset.
To pretend that such a notion is “scientific,” is extremely absurd.
BTW, did I miss some posts, I don’t recall ANY responses from the peanut gallery about the allegations I made about the Vatican choosing the side of the Dark Lord vis a vis the critters and related phenomena.
Thunderous silence, it seems to me.
Many of them falsely. The use of circumstantial evidence may be the leading cause of false convictions, at least in the courts of Common Law (which most of the West operates under). The big question is here whether the eyewitness accounts are believeable or are they not believeable due to hallucinations, drugs, dreams, suggestive state, or what have you.
Now as to what to make of the eyewitness reports, there is no precedent...but that doesn't mean such reports can be dismissed out of hand.
And before all those eyewitness accounts for which there is a precedent, there is always the first one...for which there is NO precedent.
Okay, I'm game. What was the first eyewitness account? :) Let us see if the ball has moved over time.
As far as I can tell, this particular mystery has rather conveniently slipped between the cracks.
Not for many. However, I would say again: where's the beef? If hundreds of thousands, or perhaps millions, if some claims are be heralded, of people are involved one way or another in this phenomemon, where are the carcasses? Where are the bones, the cellular and mitochondrial DNA (or equivalent). They just arrested a guy for serial killings because his son was taken in and the son's DNA was a partial match only for one DNA sample. So they followed the father and got his DNA from a slice of pizza that he only partially ate and discarded. They'll convict him on that, too, upheld all the way to SCOTUS if required.
So with that said, where's the beef? I'm an original Trekkie and find the idea of space aliens to be appealing. Nice idea. But I think of them in the same terms that I think of Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan. Cartoonishly fascinating, but at the same time, unreality.
But because I don't have the answer does not mean the question itself is not valid.
Not that many questions by themselves are invalid. Many answers are, though...
The connection in my mind is that both influences are Satanic.
I wonder if Obama knows he has a connection with "aliens"?;-)
I don't see any evidence of it yet (he seems so mired in racism and islamism...both such human-based concerns).
But sooner or later, some fellow leftie or fellow race-baiter who is in the know about Guvvie files on said "aliens" will make a run to the WH.
And the ever politically facile Obama will make the connection...and he will want to milk this for all the political advantage available.
And then he will want to meet these "aliens" (and you know they are just waiting to meet him...if they haven't already. In fact, if he isn't the end product of their hybrid operation!).
And that's when the manure hits the fan IMHO!
All quite a stretch of course...but what isn't lately?
Since the Church is under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and is the Body of Christ on Earth, I assumed that words to this effect did not require any sort of response. St. Peter given the keys to Heaven? Check. Gates of hell not standing up to the Church? Check, check. Holy Spirit with the Church always? Check, check and check.
Oh, and, Jesus has the keys to death and hell, as well. No, your imaginary critters have no part of Jesus and His Church.
Thunderous silence, it seems to me.
Thunderous and dangerous unScriptural heresy, it seems to me.
Just a point of reminder...I don't believe what folks are experiencing are space aliens.
Secondly, read the accounts of John Mack, Harvard psychiatrist and professor (in fact, founder of the psychiatric department of Cambridge Hospital.).
Hallucinations...possibly. But they have been strangely uniform from person to person...and that would suggest a common source cause. Drugs...no (Mack tested for this variable). And mental illness...Mack eliminated anyone from his huge sample who exhibited any symptoms.
You need to submerge yourself in the evidence instead of guessing from a distance.
There are those who have taken the risks of alienation (what?) to investigate this matter empirically.
Your comment "most of them falsely" is something you have conjured without evidence.
Study John Mack and even read what those who have opposed him have said about him.
You strike me as a serious but open minded person (that is open to empirical reasoning and examination of evidence).
You might be afraid...we all are! To be unafraid when confronted with such earth-shattering possibilities would indicate a dissociative problem...and I don't think is what any of us on this thread have exhibited proof of.
BTW, I pinged Quix on this thread because he is by education a shrink and will correct me if I have strayed from good scholarship in my analysis.
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