Alleged Vatican Official Says Extraterrestrials Are Real

The Eponymous Flower ^ | 07/08/2010 | Tancred

[0beron]

"Vatican Officials" say a lot of things. This man who is said to be an expert in demonology also claims to be an expert on the phenomenon of intelligent extraterrestrial life. We say they are supernatural in origin and the appearance of strange and foreboding lights in the sky are unfavorable signs.

Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia (governing body), and an insider close to the Pope, has gone on Italiannational television five times, including recent months, to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. Balducci provided an analysis of extraterrestrials that he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters "are NOT demonic, they are NOT due topsychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully." Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican , and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, [Like the historical propensity for the press to be leftist deceivers who herald new phenomena like Communism as saviours of mankind.] his stating that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.

Balducci revealed to a visiting American professional that the Vatican is closely following this phenomenon quietly. My informant originally surmised that the Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its Nunciatures (embassies) in various countries.

[Quix]

Excellent questions.

However, I’ve not observed much fair-mindedness on the part of such realms hereon for more than 10 years. I think a UFO remote small sphere will have to land in most of their laps and castrate them, without anesthetic, before they will believe there’s any reality involved, at all.

[Quix]

Wellllllllllllllll

OBVIOUSLY y’all ignorant serf poor white trash are tooooo stoooooooooooopid

to realize

that

if you can’t put it in the vise, under the microscope, between the arms of a micrometer, X-Ray it . . . with your own grubby little white-washed hands . . .

then

IT ISN’T REAL, CAN’T POSSIBLY BE REAL!

LONG LIVE ALL THE POPES OF SCIENTISM!
LONG LIVE ALL THE CLOSED MINDS OF SCIENTISM!
LONG LIVE ALL THE DUPLICITIES AND DOUBLE STANDARDS OF SCIENTISM!
LONG LIVE ALL THE DEATHS BY TYPE II ERRORS FOSTERED BY SCIENTISM!
LONG LIVE ALL THE TRUE BELIEVERS IN SCIENTISM SUCKING AT THE TOES OF THE HOLLOW IDOLS OF SCIENTISM!

/sat

[Quix]

Excellent points and proposition.

However, I’ll not be answering any such questions from such a closed-minded perspective. Been there. Done that. Have warehouses full of the T-shirt.

NOPE. Not my gig.

I’d rather write to those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

A lot less futile; a lot less aggravating.

[Quix]

Great points.

Thx.

[MarkBsnr]

A metaphysical point: no such thing as a rigorous, objective proof exists, nor can exist.

But within our 4-dimensional universe, the scientific method and quantification of proof can and does work. Setting the metaphysics aside, of course.

If I go to my upper management and propose a project, I must supply objective proof that the project is not only feasible but cost effective and will provide a return and final condition that meets with corporate rules. I cannot simply say that this is the project however I cannot prove anything, so just gimme the authorization and the money.

At the same time, one must also look at this methodology as useful to everyday life. We have Kevin Trudeau renting half hour blocks of time hocking every kind of snake oil in every field from medical to financial and every six months comes up with a new kind of snake oil.

Finally, a hypothesis is not a fact; it is a "best guess", accepted or rejected by te scientific community base upon subjective reasons. A widely-accepted hypothesis may in fact be partially or entirely wrong.

Negative. A hypothesis is a proposed explanation for an observable phenomenon. It is a proposal. It should be framed in such a way so as to be falsifiable - in other words to be able to be proved wrong. The hypothesis that space aliens exist is framed oppositely to what it should be. This hypothesis is incapable of being proved wrong.

In other words, "If I cain't poke it with a stick, it ain't real." This is a statement of faith, not of fact — yet it lies behind the entire Western scientific enterprise.

If space aliens exist, can we not poke them with a stick? Can we not see, measure, and otherwise interact with them? The claim is that they exist in our current reality. Therefore they ought to be able to be dealt with in our current reality.

The scientific method works great in practical situations. Without it, bridges don't get built, lasers don't shine, medicine doesn't fight disease. It can be a useful map for navigating reality. But let's not make the mistake of confusing the map with the territory.

Of course not. Yet we are being asked to purchase a pig in a poke. I will not put myself in the position to say that there are no space aliens. I simply don't know. The ones who claim that they exist still have the burden of proof. Same as those who claim that chelation therapy for autistics or peach pits for cancer actually work. You claim it; you prove it.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind, wise and perceptive words.

There are decreasing numbers of people

for whom

NO AMOUNT OF currently commonly available proof will suffice. It does not matter to them that such levels of proof and expert testimony would be FAR MORE THAN SUFFICIENT to sentence someone to be executed in most of our States.

Such folks—CONSERVATIVE FREEPERS—no less!!!!—evidently await the

IMPRIMATUR OF THE

[drum roll]

oligarchically controlled

MAIN STREAM MEDIA

before they’ll believe anything . . .

or, worse, they will refuse to believe until a small orb from a UFO is observed by them to descend to their laps and castrate them without anesthetic. Even then, some would probably blame it on their pet Terrier.

I think this is one of the few topics that so many FREEPERS refuse to consider evidence fairly on

AND INSTEAD INSIST ON SWALLOWING THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA’S PARTY LINE ON.

ABSOLUTELY IRRATIONAL TO THE MAX.

Mystifying.

[MarkBsnr]

Got it. The KJV calls him ‘prince’, as does the D-R Challoner edition.

The versions I use call him ‘ruler’ which is the more literal and usual translation of Arche/Archon. ‘Prince’ normally means to me as subject to a king or emperor, and would mean that satan is working within the confines and direction that God has given him. It is not Christian belief to consider that satan is doing God’s work. That’s why I put up my objection.

[B-Chan]

But within our 4-dimensional universe, the scientific method and quantification of proof can and does work. Setting the metaphysics aside, of course.

But one can't set metaphysics aside. Metaphysics is the science of reason itself. If reason is set aside, nothing makes sense.

I'm not claiming that space aliens exist, by the way. (I think it's possible but unlikely.) My point is that it is impossible to objectively prove any claim. One cannot say "the sky is blue"; the best one can do is say "the phenomenon I refer to as 'the sky' appeared to me to be reflecting light of a wavelength of 440 nm at a given time and under given conditions".

[stfassisi]

The whole ET topic makes no sense to me because why would God even need to make ET’s after he created humans in his image and likeness and angels and all the other animals.

If there are ET’s they would be animals(I don’t believe there is) and we humans would have dominion over them(genesis 1) like all the other animals that might even show up on earth.

Saint Thomas Aquinas said the following brilliantly since it makes NO sense for intelligent life beyond this earth to exist in a form equal to man

“no agent intends a material plurality as an end; because a material multitude does not have a fixed term, but of itself tends to infinity; infinity, however, is contrary to the notion of ‘end’. When it is said, however, that many worlds are better than one, this is said according the material multitude. This sort of better, however, does not belong to the intention of God as agent, because for the same reason it could be said that if he made two, it would be better that there were three; and thus ad infinitum.”-Saint Thomas Aquinas

I wonder if people who believe in intellectual ET’s that are not animals believe that Christ came to the ET planet to die for them like he did us?

[Quix]

My point is that it is impossible to objectively prove any claim. One cannot say “the sky is blue”; the best one can do is say “the phenomenon I refer to as ‘the sky’ appeared to me to be reflecting light of a wavelength of 440 nm at a given time and under given conditions”.

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WELL, WISELY, AND ACCURATELY PUT, imho.

Of course, the popes and addictees to the RELIGION OF SCIENTISM

are not remotely consistent with their own criteria, boundaries on such things. They only use them when it seems to serve their biases. The rest of the time, they are more inconsistent than a NM summer rain.

[Quix]

I don’t.

I believe that Christ died once and for all—for those of mankind to rule and reign with Him

AND

for ALL CREATION

WHICH YEARNINGLY DESPERATELY GROPINGLY URGENTLY EXPECTS THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD—evidently to help deliber it from the grip of sin and sin’s pollutions and deadliness.

[stfassisi]

Even if some creature showed up in a spaceship I can clearly see how it would be a MAN MADE work of evil men trying to mislead people.

For example...

The Chinese are already experimenting with human animal hybrids

Animal-Human Hybrids Spark Controversy
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0125_050125_chimeras.html

excerpt..
Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created.
hybrids and the

The Chinese also said the recent UFO sighting was from their military as well

UFO in China has ‘military connection’: Official
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/China/UFO-in-China-has-military-connection-Official/articleshow/6146544.cms

ecxerpt..
July 9,2010
BEIJING: An Unidentified Flying Object (UFO), which disrupted air traffic in a Chinese city has a “military connection”, a Chinese official has said.

So,there you go! A man made spaceship and alien courtesy of the those wacky communists!

[Quix]

Saying the UFO was from their military

could have been for any number of purposes . . . none of them having anything to do with reality or the truth.

Yes, dreadful hybrid stuff has been going on for decades.

Reminds me of an old B&W TV show about a husband who was changed over time to look like an alien etc. . . . only to be killed shortly after crashing as planned to earth . . . yet who managed to show his suddenly appearing wife who he really was by a finger movement signal down his face/forehead.

I still think FALLEN ANGELS is the most likely reality of the ET critters.

However, it does not matter what they are—all the known ones I’ve read about are clearly in cahoots with the globalists to help set up the satanic world government.

Even IF they are, as so many of them claim to be, citizens of distant planets . . . complete with taking senior politicos and military folks on excursions to their home planets . . . that they are in cahoots with the oligarchy to set up the satanic world government . . .

THAT’S MOSTLY ALL I *NEED* TO KNOW about them.

particularly . . . enough to avoid them almost at all costs.

[Quix]

BTW, I much appreciate pleasant exchanges with you.

[Quix]

FROM:

http://www.nuforc.org/

FLASH!!   POSTED TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 06, 2010 - Events across the United States and Canada on the evening of Sunday, July 04, 2010. 

Over the last 48 hours, NUFORC has received almost 100 similar reports of very peculiar events, which have been witnessed across the U. S. and Canada on July 4th, and perhaps on July 3^rd, as well.  The sightings are a phenomenon for which we have no ready explanation.  Many of the reports from both days have been submitted by seemingly serious-minded individuals, many of whom apparently witnessed the events with multiple other witnesses present. 

To date, we have received reports of the phenomenon from the following U. S. states and Canadian provinces:  California; Connecticut; Washington, D.C.; Florida; Georgia; Illinois; Indiana; Kentucky; Massachusetts; Manitoba; Michigan; Minnesota; Missouri; North Dakota; Nebraska; New Jersey; New York; Ohio; Oklahoma; Pennsylvania; Tennessee; Texas; Virginia; Vermont; and Washington State. 

The reports are similar, in that the witnesses have described seeing strange red, orange, or yellow “fireballs,” which have been seen either to hover in the night sky, or to streak overhead, sometimes individually, and on some occasions in clusters.  In some instances, the objects were observed against a clear, cloudless sky, and in other cases, they were observed below solid or broken overcast. 

Given the wide area over which the objects were observed, we suspect that there may be hundreds of thousands, or perhaps millions, of people who also were witness to these objects and events, but who have not reported their sightings.  IF YOU WERE WITNESS TO THIS PHENOMENON, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOU SUBMIT A WRITTEN REPORT, USING THE ONLINE REPORT FORM

We would be grateful if you would please include in your report at least the following information:  1) The time and date of the sighting; 2) your location; 3) the direction you were looking; 4) the estimated angle of elevation; 5) how many objects you witnessed; 6) whether the objects were in motion, or stationary, and what direction they appeared to be moving; 7) how big the objects appeared to be, relative to the size of a star in the night sky, or the Moon; 8) how many other witnesses were present; and 9) how the objects disappeared from your sight. 

We would encourage you to include any other facts about your sighting, which will help another person understand what you saw, and what the event looked like.  Please bear in mind that the only thing another person will ever know about your sighting will depend entirely on what you choose to write about it, so please be thorough. 

Also, if you know other witnesses to the same event, please encourage them to submit a report, prepared independently of you, and of all other witnesses who were present.

We will post all reports we receive as quickly as they arrive at our Center.  Thank you for submitting your report! 

Posted on Tuesday evening, July 06, 2010, by Peter Davenport, Director, NUFORC.

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WEBSITE UPDATED ON JUNE 23^RD, 2010

 

In keeping with our attempt to post newly received reports on a more regular basis, we have posted approximately 151 new reports to our database.  As we always request, in the event that you encounter a report, which clearly is a hoax, or which is defective for any reason, please send us an e-mail, with a link to the report, and we will amend or delete the report. 

We summarize below two of the reports, which we found to be unusually interesting:

INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA (IN FLIGHT), AUGUST 1987 - An experienced airline pilot witnesses a “cranberry red” object closing on his aircraft at an estimated 400 knots, and an estimated 4,000 feet below his altitude.  The peculiar object appeared to the pilot to be flying directly toward a storm cloud, and instantly changed its course, apparently without slowing down, by approximately 140 degrees. Full Report

AFGHANISTAN

QUIX'S UFO PING LIST C LEVEL PING

[stfassisi]

BTW, I much appreciate pleasant exchanges with you.

Likewise! Now, if you can write how much you love the Blessed Mother for "saying yes" we will start going down the right path

[MarkBsnr]

But one can't set metaphysics aside. Metaphysics is the science of reason itself. If reason is set aside, nothing makes sense.

If one operates from the point of view that nothing is proveable, then nothing will be. I'm not claiming that space aliens exist, by the way. (I think it's possible but unlikely.) My point is that it is impossible to objectively prove any claim.

Parading space aliens through the streets and analyzing them in scientific laboratories goes a long way towards proof. The alternative is to simply claim that such things exist and angrily demand that others either believe your claim or else disprove it. If such things exist, and certainly to the extent that is bruited about, then it should be relatively easy and quick to produce such things. I interpret the reluctance to prove their existence with such emotion and hysterics to be strong evidence that they in fact don't exist and simply are a fantasy.

[Quix]

Now now.

It is understandable and reasonable . . . at least to a point . . .

that we both must operate within our respective cosmologies unless and until one of them were to change.

Actually, beyond that, because no two individuals’ cosmologies are precisely identical in OR out of the Vatican umbrella.

[Quix]

I love Mary because she is a human created in God’s image.

I’m thankful she said yes to her limited and temporary role in Christ’s mortal life.

[Quix]

I remain confident that God Almighty could, nevertheless, have raised up a virgin daughter of Jacob from a rock, to fill the role, had Mary declined.