Posted on 07/07/2010 7:24:30 AM PDT by Petrosius
Pope Pius XII, the controversial wartime pontiff, may have saved thousands of Jews by secretly securing visas so they could escape Nazi Germany, a historian has claimed.
Pope Pius, who was labelled “Hitler’s Pope” because of his silence during the Holocaust, may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, when thousands of Jews were rounded up and sent to concentration camps.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Yea, I’m getting pretty hot at such vileness I see here among the bigots. I better go cool off for a while.
It’s like watching three guys beat up an elderly person or some other type evil. You don’t want me to mention the three guys, just their technique.
Well, cry victim all you want while you give the finger with your lies. I’ll move on.
You could be right...I went to Roncalli H.S. in Indianapolis, and the pictures I remember of him look similar to the one in the thread.
Pope Pius XII was a slender man with dark hair, was he not?
I’m not Catholic or Jewish.
But I did find the following book an interesting read about the WWII-era Pope,
seeing how it was written by a rabbi.
The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: Pope Pius XII and His Secret War Against Nazi Germany
by David G. Dalin
The concordat was an interstate agreement that regulated the affairs of the church in Germany. It did not give any support to the Nazi agenda. The UK and Germany signed the Anglo-German Naval Agreement in 1935. Such treaties do not imply support for Nazi regime but were agreements with what was then the lawful government of Germany. There was nothing nefarious about the concordat despite your wishes to the contrary.
It’s their pattern. It’s what they do.
I’m moving on from this thread. It’s like I just was made to sit through a cross burning at a Klan rally. Too much ugliness in such a short time. I normally am more patient with the haters, for some reason, I’m not today.
Ahhhaaaaaaaaaa!! I was right!!!
So who is it and if it's not Pius XII, why is his name plastered across it!!??
Pius XII used many envoys. A source for the quote has been given.
Yeah...........by me!!!................LOL.........thanks for all your help!!
How do you know this is an envoy and how do you know it was taken in Germany?? Hitler got around a bit. This looks like Archbishop Roncalli and if so, the photo was probably taken in Greece, which Hitler visited after its fall in 1941.
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Bless ya for getting the truth out there in the first place. If at some point repeating these truths turns into beating your head against the the Ignorance/Prejudice Wall, well who could blame you for stopping?
It's worse than that.
He aint even a Pope.
It’s Pius XII in the photo, but the photo is from 4 years BEFORE Hitler took power so I don’t see what the problem is in itself. I know Cornwell’s publishhed deliberately played with the photo to make it look like the future pope was getting a saute from Nazis, but that fraud was discovered.
In any case, perhaps I could refer you to this document, written after World War II by Dr. Joseph L. Lichten, former director of the International Affairs Department for the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith.
A Question of Judgment: Pius XII & the Jews
Key excerpts:
Pacelli spoke these scathing words to 250,000 pilgrims at Lourdes on April 28, 1935: "They [The Nazis] are in reality only miserable plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of the social revolution, whether they are guided by a false conception of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult."
The day after his election, the Berlin Morgenpost said: "The election of Cardinal Pacelli is not accepted with favor in Germany because he was always opposed to Nazism and practically determined the policies of the Vatican under his predecessor."
As I wrote in the Anti-Defamation League Bulletin for October, 1958, the new Vicar of Christ showed no softening after his election toward Hitler's brutal policies; Pius the Pope was the same man as Pacelli the priest. Von Ribbentrop, granted a formal audience on March 11, 1940, went into a lengthy harangue on the invincibility of the Third Reich, the inevitability of a Nazi victory, and the futility of papal alignment with the enemies of the Fuhrer. Pius XII heard Von Ribbentrop out politely and impassively. Then he opened an enormous ledger on his desk and, in his perfect German, began to recite a catalogue of the persecutions inflicted by the Third Reich in Poland, listing the date, place, and precise details of each crime. The audience was terminated; the Pope's position was clearly unshakable.
Summi Pontificatus, the first encyclical of his pontificate, issued October 20, 1939, had strongly attacked the doctrines of totalitarianism, racism, and materialism. The encyclical read in part: "The first of these pernicious errors, today so widespread, is the disregard for that law of human solidarity and charity dictated and imposed...by the common origin and equality in their rational nature of all men, regardless of the people to which they belong. In his Christmas Message of 1942 and in similar terms on June 2, 1943, he deplored the treatment of: "...hundreds of thousands of persons who, through no fault of their own and by the single fact of their nationality or race, have been condemned to death or to progressive extinction....It is a consolation for Us that, through the moral and spiritual assistance of Our representatives and through Our financial assistance, We have been able to comfort a great many of the refugees, homeless, and emigrants, including non-Aryans."
Read the whole thing and you'll realize you've been bearing false witness against Pope Pius XII.
Yes, 1929! What year did the Nazis come to power?
What an unfortunate example to use.
....more damning were numerous documents revealing that Bernard Cardinal Law, his predecessor, Humberto Cardinal Medeiros, and other archdiocesean officials were aware of [Rev. Paul R. Shanley]'s behavior as far back as 1967, but continued to assign him to posts that put him in direct contact with children.Coyne appeared visibly angry as he revealed the discovery of the documents, saying there is no question now that there had been numerous written complaints made in past years to chancery officials about Shanley's behavior....records showed that Shanley spoke in favor of sex between men and boys at a December 1978 Boston convention that led to the founding of the intergenerational sex advocacy organization.
-- from the 2002 thread BREAKING: Church uncovers [NEW!!!] file on Shanley NAMBLA activity
ROFLMAO.............!!
You owe me a keyboard!!!
D'ja miss this #5? Besides, who ever said anything about Protestants?
I haven't hit the abuse button in years and don't have the power to ban anyone, that rests with the individual doing the posting and the moderator making the judgment call. Open debate is marred by those who employ doctored photos, false quotes and other nefarious tactics to advance their agenda.
You wrote:
“The US never signed a Reichskonkordat with Hitler. The Roman Catholic church did...”
What is that supposed to mean? The Church wanted to protect Catholics in Germany. If there were 35 million Americans living in Nazi Germany you can bet we would have signed a treaty with the Nazis to protect them. We already were selling them war supplies throughout the 1930s! This is from a lefty union, but they get the facts right: http://www.ranknfile-ue.org/uen_nastybiz.html
Again, if there were 35 million Americans living in Nazi Germany you can bet we would have signed a treaty with the Nazis to protect them.
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