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To: erkyl; TaraP

Nonsense.

Many people - my self included - used to be very tolerant of homosexuals - I knew it was disgusting and weird and sinful, but had a “live and let live” attitude. I worked with one, had a friendly relationship, I figured his life was his business. (I was also accosted twice by homosexuals and the experience was utterly repellent and disgusting, but I did not hate the individuals. I just said “NO!!!!” very emphatically.)

Until the mid 1980s, when I learned about the homosexual agenda. I started reading books, researching, and learned from others via newsletters and so on. And everything I feared has come to pass.

The homosexual agenda is pushing and promoting via the courts and legislation “Homo-Leninism” - forcing people against their will and against their moral values - to hire, associate with, allow fostering and adoptions, marriage and so on - homosexuals. Hate speech is against the law - many places you cannot say anything even “homosexuality is dangerous for the health” or “homosexuality is condemned in all the scriptures of the world”. Children are force-fed “gay is good” in schools and clubs.

Ever seen footage or photos of “Gay Pride” parades? There are some on FR - just yesterday or the day before. You think that should be on teh public streets? Sodomy in public? You think the promotion - by law - of homosexual depravity is equivalent to people eating too much or arrogance?

Do you see “Gluttony Pride” or “Adultery Pride” or “Lying Pride” parades? No? Are there hate speech laws or “senstivity training” about overeating? Mrs. 0thugga has a campaign against over eating - aka gluttony - so it’s okay to condemn that behavior. There are laws against muder, rape, slander - but homosexual behavior and those who practice and promote it have special protection under the law, to the extent that our freedoms such as freedom of speech, religion, and association are getting torn to shreds.

You are not getting the message. Most of us on FR for instance do not hate homosexuals as individuals (they are not “gay”, being happy and carefree is gay, and homosexuals are a miserable bunch of people), but we hate the “gay” agenda and feel compassion for those immersed in it, and angry at those promoting it - especially to children.

Sin is forgiven when pepole feel repentence, beg forgiveness, and vow to give up their previous sinful life. An occasional lapse (fewer and farther between or there is no sincerity) is different from expecting God and Jesus to wipe off our sins over and over again, as a type of blank check or credit of “salvation”. Remember what Jesus said to the adultress - “Go and sin no more!” Not “Everything you have done and will do is forgiven, so just continue to act like an animal and I’ll wash it all off, over and over again”! So a homosexual who begs God to forgive him will no longer identify as a homosexual nor will he engage in same sex acts any more.

Same thing with an adulterer, murderer, or anyone who sins. They will give up their sinful life. Not imagine that “I’m saved” but still live their same old life of sin.


49 posted on 06/28/2010 7:21:22 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah; TaraP
I agree with everything you said, except:

Nonsense

What I said wasn't nonsense, especially the part that came out of Scripture.

and Most of us on FR for instance do not hate homosexuals as individuals

My observation in this particular thread, and what motivated my post in the first place, was the hateful rhetoric that was being aimed at gays, not their agenda/behavior/lifestyle, etc. And, if you recall, in my post, I indicated that the only way for Christians to truly stop this was to vote. Hating gay people doesn't fix anything; in fact, I would suggest that it has done nothing but motivate them to push even harder.

And, finally, on a political note, I can find nothing in the Constitution that doesn't grant them equal rights under the law. Many so-called "Christians" didn't think women or blacks should have any rights either. Many thought it was okay to consider them less-than-human, undeserving of protection under the law, much less the right to vote. And they used their 'religion' to support that belief.

I do not disagree that the gay agenda has begun to cross a line once reserved for Christian zealots in this country. But I do not agree that it is a behavior strictly reserved for gay people. I've seen many Christians try to force others to accept their 'way of life' as well throughout our history. It is this behavior that, IMHO, has urged the gay agenda on to behave in the socially unacceptable manner you mention in your post.

And to that end, you are free to abstain from any gay pride parade you do not wish to see. And local public indecency laws ought to prevent the kinds of offensive public displays from happening, but if there are no laws on the books, then whose fault is that? The local citizenry that has not made it an issue.

If you don't like what the schools are teaching, send them to a private school or home school. No one forces people to send their kids to the public screwels. My children went to public schools and were exposed to a lot of liberal doctrine I didn't believe in or condone, and I had to do a lot of unteaching at home, but then that's the parent's responsibility, not the school's. My children are both conservatives, in spite of what the schools tried to instill in them.

And no one is forcing you to hire a gay person if he/she is not qualified for the job. But, you shouldn't be asking such questions in an interview, so besides personal assumptions, stereotypes and bias, how would you really know if someone was gay or not? And if they are, and they are qualified for the job, I don't see how their sexuality ought to be considered 'offensive' any more than if they were black or a woman. Unless they start behaving inappropriately on the job(such as the sexual harassment incident you described), they ought to be protected under our Constitution from discrimination based on anything. Discrimination of any kind is wrong under our Constitution that provides equal protection for all.

Finally, as I pointed out in my other post, the Bible says it is not my place to judge a person who is not a brother or sister. Sinners, outside of the church, are to be judged by God, not me. If someone is in the church and is practicing homosexuality openly, the Scriptures have a clear path for dealing with such individuals. So, I don't condone churches that are welcoming practicing gays. I believe they are getting it wrong. But, I also think a lot of Christians behave in such a way to fuel the 'gay agenda' fire and more could be done to help these unhappy souls than by trying to ostracize and demonize them as people or violate their Constitutional protection as equal citizens.

57 posted on 06/29/2010 7:30:50 AM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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