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What are we to think of Calvin?
(Translated from Le Bachais, No. 35, November-December 1999, the publication of the Priory St. Pierr ^ | December, 1999 | Rev . Fr. Philippe Marcille

Posted on 06/26/2010 10:46:26 AM PDT by Natural Law

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To: RegulatorCountry
My goodness, must've hit a nerve, lol.

The nerve hit must be yours. We're not the ones desparately trying to change the subject.

Multiple replies to my little ol' effort?

Heavy on the little, heavier still on the old. We've heard it all before.

141 posted on 06/27/2010 5:38:02 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: boatbums

You wrote:

“How can you even say that???”

I think it can be said by any rational person here - because it is true.

“It sure BETTER have everything to do with it, else, what ensures the proclaimations made by “anointed” successors are true?”

It has nothing to do with it and since it doesn’t it in no way endangers defintions or declarations from the pope.

“You claim to have this “unbroken” line of ordained apostles. This line, at some self-admitted points, has been broken when the wrong guys get voted into the post.”

Untrue. Even if some “wrong guy” was elected, he was elected. That in no way means a “broken” line.

“I would like to hear how this discrepency is explained.”

What you presented is not a discrepency. When you present one, let me know.

” It doesn’t sound to me like your religion can truthfully make this claim.”

We can. We have. And it is true.


142 posted on 06/27/2010 5:43:04 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Dutchboy88

I’m not a Seahawks fan.


143 posted on 06/27/2010 5:44:21 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Desdemona
Didn’t the religious wars of the Renaissance and early Baroque happen over a number of decades?

Yes, over many decades. But the selective memory of the Calvinists would have you believe it all just happened on St. Bartholomew's Day.

144 posted on 06/27/2010 5:44:29 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
He did it while he was a Calvinist. Nobody forced him to burn people and desecrate they're graves. He did it on his own.

And I suppose those obedient little 'bots who didn't separate themselves from the abject corruption and sin that was the Roman hierarchy in the 16th century could always be said to be just following orders.

That excuse didn't cut it at Nuremberg, IIRC.

145 posted on 06/27/2010 5:46:07 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
And I suppose those obedient little 'bots who didn't separate themselves from the abject corruption and sin that was the Roman hierarchy in the 16th century could always be said to be just following orders.

What orders are you imagining now?

That excuse didn't cut it at Nuremberg, IIRC.

Exactly. That's why Calvin is guilty - not because he learned it, but because he did it.

146 posted on 06/27/2010 5:51:50 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
selective memory ... would have you believe it all just happened on St. Bartholomew's Day.

I don't think it's limited to one brand of protestantism. There were fights going on in Scotland as late as the mid-18th century now that I think about it. We won't get into Ireland.

147 posted on 06/27/2010 5:55:42 PM PDT by Desdemona (One Havanese is never enough.)
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To: Desdemona
I don't think it's limited to one brand of protestantism.

Yes, you are absolutely correct.

148 posted on 06/27/2010 5:57:11 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
No, not at all changing the subject. You've raised the spectre of postumous trial and burning of remains, a tradition that goes back to at least the tenth century.

Oddly, it seems you believe this to be a Protestant invention, though the chronology does not bear such a contention out.

If you or anyone else wants to try to score points by condemning the few Protestant instances of such barbarity, in the decades immediately following their separation from Rome, then it's only intellectually honest to own up to the very obvious fact that your own church behaved much in the same manner, on one occasion directed at an actual pope.

The behavior is, in fact, barbarous. Who led western Christendom out of that barbarity? Protestants. Why is it barbarous? Because it's disgusting and just plain creepy to dig people up and desecrate their remains. It's also unclean and Biblically wrong.

If you can't see the very obvious relation between, on the one hand attempting to condemn a dead person by trial and destroying their remains, and on the other hand, sawing up dead people you like for keepsakes and souvenirs, in the apparent and quite pagan belief that parts of sawed up dead people that you like are like some sort of lucky rabbit's foot, then I can't help you.

The thought process behind both stems from the same magical thinking, and it's the flip side of the same coin.

149 posted on 06/27/2010 5:57:14 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Titanites
Exactly. That's why Calvin is guilty - not because he learned it, but because he did it.

OK, let's extend that to every example of the behavior and the leadership that was responsible.

How many popes are guilty, then? Excluding the one that was dug up, put on trial, declared a posthumous heretic and dumped in the Tiber by the abject nutbag that succeeded him as pope, of course.

Is Pope Formosus now regarded as legitimate, or an "anti-Pope," by the way? How about his successor? What does that do to claims of Apostolic succession? Chucks it in the Tiber, just like Formosus, that's what it does.

150 posted on 06/27/2010 6:05:41 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: wagglebee; boatbums

“ALL Christians who have valid Apostolic Succession claim it, not just Catholics.”

What Christians are those?


151 posted on 06/27/2010 6:06:26 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
No, not at all changing the subject.

Sure, veneration really has something to do with the topic of this thread..

a tradition that goes back to at least the tenth century.

A tradition the Protestants readily embraced.

the few Protestant instances of such barbarity

Now they're being revised to just a few instances? How convenient.

then it's only intellectually honest to own up to the very obvious fact that your own church behaved much in the same manner

I wasn't the one making the lopsided comment about St. Bart's Day. It was a Calvinist, most likely in an effort to divert the thread.

Who led western Christendom out of that barbarity? Protestants.

Yes, I'm sure you all want us to believe that.

are like some sort of lucky rabbit's foot, then I can't help you

No you can't, with that kind of thinking. So you may as well stop. I know some of you would love for this discussion to get sucked into this drain hole and get away from talking about Calvin. If you want to discuss it, make your own thread. This one is about Calvin.

The thought process behind both stems from the same magical thinking, and it's the flip side of the same coin.

No it's not.

152 posted on 06/27/2010 6:10:33 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
WOW!

The Romanists are stooping to levels yet unseen here.

The not-right father's hypocrisy in this small diatribe makes one wonder if his degeneracy includes what is common among the regular Roman priesthood.

153 posted on 06/27/2010 6:16:17 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: RegulatorCountry
you raised the spectre of postumous trial

No, that was you.

154 posted on 06/27/2010 6:16:17 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: RegulatorCountry
How many popes are guilty, then?

Anything to get away from talking about Calvin. Start your own thread.

155 posted on 06/27/2010 6:17:35 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: GladesGuru; Judith Anne; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; ...
Actually the founding documents were written by primarily men that were reformed believers they understood the total depravity of men, and so made a government with checks and balances

Calvins principles of government gave us a nation with freedom of religion and capitalism ...only now as the nation turns from those principles does it face destruction from within

156 posted on 06/27/2010 6:19:32 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law

That is slanderous


157 posted on 06/27/2010 6:31:19 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Titanites
Wow, three responses from you this time, to my one little ol' reply.

Are your thoughts on the matter just completely scattered, or are you getting rattled like some old fingerbone relic, lol?

158 posted on 06/27/2010 6:31:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Are your thoughts on the matter just completely scattered, or are you getting rattled like some old fingerbone relic, lol?

Feel free to participate in whatever delusion suits you best.

159 posted on 06/27/2010 6:34:50 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: RnMomof7
"That is slanderous"

It is only slanderous if false. So prove it false or retract your accusation. But had someone said it about a pope you would be pinging and high fiving your posse without ever checking its voracity.

160 posted on 06/27/2010 6:36:52 PM PDT by Natural Law (Catholiphobia is a mental illness.)
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