Posted on 06/26/2010 10:46:26 AM PDT by Natural Law
No question he was broken. It is just that his perfectly framed condemnations of the demonic cult of Rome has helped perhaps billions escape the clutches of that utter cesspool.
True enough but one can say the same things about the Catholic Church before the Reformation. As a disclaimer I am RC but the world is a better place because of the Reformation.
True enough but one can say the same things about the Catholic Church before the Reformation. As a disclaimer I am RC but the world is a better place because of the Reformation.
Thanks for the post. Shocking.
The article and the posts are good examples of why the Founders kept government from any actions either of religious support or religious condemnation.
History is replete with examples of why they limited government as they did.
I'm curious about something, no biography of Calvin that I can find mentions a wife. Did he have one?
The charge of Sodomy was made about Calvin during his career as a religious despot in Geneva, Switzerland. It came from his earlier life in France in what was at that time a PROTESTANT area. It was popularized by Jerome Bolsec, a former Carmelite Monk who had joined the so-called 'reform' and gone to live in Geneva. While there Bolsec disagreed with Calvin publicly on a technical issue relating to predestination. Calvin had Bolsec arrested and held in abysmal condition while seeking to have him executed for heresy.
Bolsec was intelligent and articulate. He won the sympathy of the ecclesiastical 'court' that Calvin convened. While they did not all agree with his position, they did not think that he was a danger to the faith in Geneva. Calvin demanded Bolsec's death. The Court would not agree. Then Calvin took a poll of the other Protestant pastors in Switzerland. They refused to exact the death penalty either. In fact, Calvin lost some of his closest friends because of his murderous attitude towards Bolsec. After suffering horrible physical and mental abuse, Bolsec was banished from Geneva and advised to leave Switzerland for his own safety.
He later came to his senses and returned to the Catholic Faith. He then wrote a book on the life of Calvin which frankly repeated every negative comment or charge ever made against the man. The sodomy charge was one of them.
Attempts had been made to verify the sodomy charges against Calvin, but since the events allegedly happened in a Protestant area, there have been charges of cover up and collusion to protect Calvin's 'good name.'
Calvin was in Geneva for several years when some of his fellow 'reformed pastors' WHO HAD ALL MARRIED came to him and showed concern for the fact that he hadn't. They arranged a marriage for him to the widow of another pastor who was older than Calvin. This was a marriage of convenience for both parties.
They had only one son at which point most of Calvin's biographers agree that he had very little to do with his wife. Calvin took no interest in his son who recedes into historical obscurity and is never heard from again. The relationship between Calvin and his wife was described as more like that that of a priest with his housekeeper or of an UNMARRIED MAN LIVING WITH HIS MOTHER.
Who are you quoting?
Margin notes and scraps from my personal library including Jerome Bolsec - La vie, mort et doctrine de Jean Calvin, autrefois ministre de Geneve: Ensemble la vie de Jean Labadie, à présent ministre à Geneve
You see, I figure that if Protestants can claim that the Holy Spirit speaks to them through the words of Calvin I figure the Holy Spirit can speak to me through the words of his associates too.
Very interesting. LOl! I sometimes wonder how many men marry just to have a mother-figure in their lives who will take care of them.
I've met a number of women over the years who were charmed during courtship only to find out after the wedding that their husbands wanted just this. They felt very betrayed.
Well, he certainly didn't need anybody to trim his beard for him. I wonder if he was the prototype (minus the sunglasses) for ZZ Top? I suppose that in between condemning people, humiliating people and killing people, that there was no time for personal hygiene...
Yeah, that tends to happen to children who die in infancy.
His choice of headgear was certainly the prototype for this:
So what is this? Reformed Rabbitarian?
So, apparently Saturday is Bash Calvin Day for Catholics, but I can’t quite figure out when Praise Calvin Day occurs. I know it does, because I’ve seen it on FR before, but quite frankly I’m stumped.
Does it relate to cycles of the moon or something, lol?
I’ve pretty firmly established that Monday, Wednesday and Friday are Bash Luther days for Catholics, with Praise Luther on alternating days.
But, admittedly, this deciphering is a work in progress.
At least you guys have finally eschewed digging up corpses to hurl invective at them in some sham of a postmortem trial. “Tales From The Crypt” meets the medieval Star Chamber, I guess.
John Wycliffe and Pope Formosus are no doubt deeply relieved.
Have the Calvinists stopped digging up corpses and burning them, like John Calvin's cronies did to John of Bruges, aka Jan David Joris?
Absolutely spot on.
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