Posted on 06/19/2010 11:30:21 AM PDT by Salvation
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Natural water that is poured or sprinkled on a person, or in which a person is immersed, is the matter or material element necessary for baptism. The pronouncing of the words is the form of baptism, namely: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." It is a disputed question whether in the early Church, besides the foregoing, baptism was also administered in the name of the Lord Jesus. What is certain is that the Catholic Church early declared the necessity of using the Trinitarian formula for valid baptism.
I always thought this had to be HOLY Water in current baptisms.
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No necessity for holy water.
Must use:
1. the words “baptize” or “Christen” AND
2. the Trinitarian formula.
As opposed to unholy water??
(Jesus asked John to baptize him in the muddy waters of the Jordan.)
Acts 19:1-6 And finding some disciples he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism." Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." When they heard [this,] they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Acts 22:16 'And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'
Romans 6:3-4 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Mark 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Peter 3:19-21 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while [the] ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us -- baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ
In the water-and-Spirit rebirth that takes place at baptism, the repentant sinner is transformed from a state of sin to the state of grace. Peter mentioned this transformation from sin to grace when he exhorted people to "be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38).
The context of Jesus statements in John 3 makes it clear that he was referring to water baptism. Shortly before Jesus teaches Nicodemus about the necessity and regenerating effect of baptism, he himself was baptized by John the Baptist, and the circumstances are striking: Jesus goes down into the water, and as he is baptized, the heavens open, the Holy Spirit descends upon him in the form of a dove, and the voice of God the Father speaks from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son" (cf. Matt. 3:1317; Mark 1:911; Luke 3:2122; John 1:3034). This scene gives us a graphic depiction of what happens at baptism: We are baptized with water, symbolizing our dying with Christ (Rom. 6:3) and our rising with Christ to the newness of life (Rom. 6:45); we receive the gift of sanctifying grace and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27); and we are adopted as Gods sons (Rom. 8:1517)."
http://www.catholic.com/library/Are_Catholics_Born_Again.asp
I am not sure what you mean.It becomes Holy when you say the words. But your thinking when the priest blesses the baptismal fount water. So in the church its blessed water. Remember that water is multipupose Holy water. I think thats what you meant.
Jesus' statement is reinforced with these verses from Acts:
My son was turning blue in the oxygen tent in the children’s ward — I yanked him out of the oxygen tent and ran to the sink in the room to baptize him. I put his head under the faucet and said the words. I could not remember if I did the three times, though.
The priest then re-did the Baptism at church at the Baptismal Font with Holy Water.
Salvation: These are your quotes or another. You went through that.
It wasn't necessary for the priest to redo the baptism you did, unless it wasn't trinitarian in form. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
**trinitarian in form.**
Exactly what I could not remember. As a mother in that situation all I could think of was water and saying the words. The three dips of water that are required, I believe, though — I could not remember.
I go to what’s called Worship in the woods. Interfaith christians. The Reverend a good friend baptizes in the Name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit with full immersion in the lake. Its beautiful to watch.
You remind me of my mother. You must have a loving family.
**In the old Testament people were forgiven outside of the prescribed rules at times.**
Baptism of Desire = the Good Thief dying beside Christ on the Cross.
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