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To: kosta50

Well my faith and belief is in what is written in the Gospels...

I believe that The Jews were Chosen by GOD to be a Light to all Nations and that was Jesus Christ.

The Problem I have with ZC, is that Noahide Laws..7 Universal Laws were suppose to be taught by Adam before Noah and we saw where that led...

When Noah became the Father of Mankind..2 groups formed
1. The Children of Noah
2. The Children of Israel

Now some of those Noahide laws have been written in the Jewish Talmud that sound hellenistic from what I have read.
It also gives to much authority to Men (Jewish Elders) and not to GOD....


76 posted on 06/22/2010 7:13:36 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP; Zionist Conspirator
The Problem I have with ZC

ZC's faith is his faith and not anyone's problem.

When Noah became the Father of Mankind..2 groups formed 1. The Children of Noah 2. The Children of Israel

There were no Children of Israel after the Flood. Just people. And God makes an eternal covenant with them. However, that's not where the Noahide laws come from, except for the one about not eating meat with life [blood] in it (the 7th law).

The other six are derived exegetically (through interpretation) of Genesis 2:16.

At any rate, Judaim is not a uniform, magisterial religion, and is, like Islam, subject to various 'hadiths' and 'suras' of their own, actually opinions of various rabbis which vary as widely as it gets.

Some of these rabbis actually say Noahide laws are forbidden for the Gentiles because Gentiles cannot be taught the Torah (Jewish Encyclopedia)...

I really don't care one way or another what they say; I was only making a point that no matter how bizarre it may seem to you, what ZC believes is his faith and is not subject to your or my judgment, never mind a "problem."

Now some of those Noahide laws have been written in the Jewish Talmud that sound hellenistic from what I have read. It also gives to much authority to Men (Jewish Elders) and not to GOD...

Man invented writing, and consequently everything written, including the 'holy' books, has been written by men and for men as far as I am concerned.

77 posted on 06/22/2010 8:13:51 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: TaraP
The Problem I have with ZC, is that Noahide Laws..7 Universal Laws were suppose to be taught by Adam before Noah and we saw where that led...

Um . . . the Noachide Laws are named for Noach, under whose covenant we still live to this day.

You forget that Cain killed Abel, and for 130 years (until the birth of Seth) the only human beings in the world (aside from Adam and Eve themselves) were the descendants of Cain. True, only eight (nine if you count `Og) were saved from the Flood, but why blame G-d's Laws for the fact that people didn't obey them?

If you're going to judge the Noachide Laws a failure because of how humanity turned out, then J*sus was certainly a failure as well. He lived two thousand years ago and look what's happened!

82 posted on 06/23/2010 7:49:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Mah-tovu 'ohaleykha, Ya`aqov; mishkenoteykha, Yisra'el!)
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