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Excellent article if I do say so myself ;)
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Catholics and Calvinists’ favorite saying, “You just don’t understand _______” Fill in the blank.
What each apologist believed individually was never the doctrine of the Church, so if Cyril believed scripture (which was not even canonized at that time) was the sole source of authority, that was not the opinion of the rest of the Church. What the Church believes and sets as dogma is what the Church as a whole (consensus patrum) declares at a General (Ecumenical) Council.
So, the short answer to his drawn-out question is: yes, he did leave the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church!
I predict, however, that before this thread finally dies down, you will be:
Secondly, Webster finds himself in a pickle regarding his approach to Sola Scriptura, once one looks at the works of the Early Church Fathers in their entirety. He makes the claim that "Sola scriptura was the universal teaching of the church Fathers and for the church as a whole through the later Middle Ages." If this is the case, then he must take one of the following three positions:
1) Since the Fathers used Sola Scriptura, the other doctrines that they advocated (Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, saving efficacy of Baptism, ordination of clergy, use of images in worship, etc) should also be believed, since they were ultimately derived by this method.
2) That the mode of thought used by the Fathers (namely SS) which led to the doctrines that Webster refuses to accept must itself be flawed and thus unworthy of conveying the Gospel - thus Sola Scriptura ought be rejected.
3) That the Fathers, as evidenced by the rest of their theological positions, obviously did not advocate Sola Scriptura as Webster understands it, and that it is a later theological novelty. This would make Webster's portrayal of history inaccurate at best, and maliciously dishonest at worst.
Which is it? Webster wishes to have his cake and eat it too.
I personally choose #3 - but further discussion of this dilemma can be found on this page, which discusses the illogical approach that Webster takes.
In short, YES, Webster did leave the Holy Catholic Church.
Since you're new, I don't know what your MO is - but if you want to actually DISCUSS what Catholics believe, you would be better off avoiding anti-Catholics (and especially EX-Catholics, who tend to be rabidly anti-Catholic) and instead look at what the Church REALLY teaches, by going and reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church (available online), the documents of the Councils, and the writings of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church.
Welcome and thanks for the long post that will take me days to read/understand. It would help a little if your link titled “here” lead to something other than; “The requested document does not exist on this server.”
Gentlemen, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
Read for later - interesting.
But as I have said before, Christians of all stripes need to unite against Islam - our common enemy.
Sorry, I’m skeptical of any website that has the word “Truth” in its name.
- Jp
Well, I guess Mr. Webster will find out if he was right or wrong on judgement day.
Evangelicals and Roman Catholics,in the immortal words of Rodney King:
Can’t we all just get along???
PS..I’m Catholic