580 Reasons (& counting) Why You Should Leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints [II]

Life After Ministries ^ | 2007

[Elsie]

The key word here is obviously "seem."

{Knowing smirk...}

[T Minus Four]

OK, renting the movie this weekend!

[Elsie]

 

I suspect it is because us ‘antis’ know more about Mormonism than you do.

 

 

It appears (seems) that MORMONism cannot agree on just WHAT their 'doctrines' are!

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The following list is taken from the book Divergent Paths of Restoration:

FOUNDED BETWEEN 1830 AND 1844

• Pure Church of Christ, Wycam Clark, 1831
• The Independent Church, Hoton, 1832
• Church of Christ, Ezra Booth, 1836
• Church of Christ, Warren Parrish, 1837
• The Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, The Lamb's Wife, George M. Hinkle, 1840
• Church of Christ, Hyrum Page, 1842
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, F. Gladden Bishop
• True Church of Jessu Christ of Latter Day Saints, Law, Foster, Higbee, 1844
• Church of Christ, William Chubby

NON-EXTANT MOVEMENTS FOUNDED 1844-1860

• Church of Christ / Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion, Sidney Rigdon, 1844
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, James Emmett, 1844
• Church of Christ, S. B. Stoddard, Leonard Rich, James Bump, 1845
• Indian Mormon, 1846
• Church of Christ, William McLellin, David Whitmer, 1847
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, William Smith, 1847
• Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion, Charles B. Thompson, 1848
• Church of Christ, James C. Brewster, 1848
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Lyman Wight, 1849
• The Bride, The Lamb's Wife or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jacob Syfritt, 1850
• Church of Christ, Hazen Aldrich, 1851

EXTANT MOVEMENTS

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, James J. Strang, 1844

• Church of Christ, Aaron Smith, 1846
• Church of the Messiah, George J. Adams, 1861
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
• Holy Church of Jesus Christ, Alexandre R. Caffiaux
• House of Ephraim and House of Manasseh of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jerry Sheppard
• The True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, David L. Roberts
• Marriage Counseling Group
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, John J. Hajicek
• Strangite Believers in Pennsylvania

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Brigham Young, 1847

• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or Church of the First Born, Joseph Morris, 1861
• The Prophet Cainan or Church of Jesus Christ of the Saints of the Most High God, George Williams, 1862
• Morrisite Group, John Livingston, 1864
• Church of Zion, William S. Godbe, 1868
• Church of the First Born, George S. Dove, 1874
• Priesthood Groups (Fundamentalists), 1890
• United Order of Equality, Ephraim Peterson, 1909
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Israel, J. H. Sherwood
• Order of Aaron, Maurice L. Glendenning
• Church of Freedom of Latter Day Saints, 1950s
• Zion's Order of the Sons of Levi, Marl V. Kilgore, 1951
• The Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Joel F. LeBaron
• The Church of the Firstborn, Ross W. LeBaron, 1955
• Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter Day Saints, William C. Conway, 1958
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, John Forsgren, 1960
• Church of Jesus Christ, William Goldman, 1960
• LDS Scripture Researchers/Believe God Society, Sherman Russell Lloyd, 1965
• The Church of the Body and of the Spirit of Jessu Christ, Max Powers, 1965
• United Order of the Saints of Guadeloupe, Michel Gamiette, 1966
• United Order of the Family of Christ, David E. Desmond, 1966
• Split from Zion's Order of the Sons of Levi, Eldon Taylor, 1969
• Homosexual Church of Jesus Christ, Denver, Colorado, 1972
• Latter Day Saints Church, N.S. Park, 1972
• The Church of the Lamb of God, Ervil M. LeBaron, 1972
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Mikhail Krupenia, 1972
• The New Jerusalem Group, Kathryn Carter, 1972
• The Watchmen on the Towers of Latter Day Israel, Miltenberg, Braun, 1973
• Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly, Alexnader Joseph, 1974
• Evangelical Church of Christ, Church of the New Covenant in Christ, John W. Bryant, 1974
• Split form Zion's Order of the Sons of Levi, Barton Kilgore, 1975
• Affirmation, 1975
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Robert Simons, 1975
• Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Bruce Wakeham, 1975
• Aaronic Order Break-off, 1977
• Christ's Church, Inc., Gerald Peterson, 1978
• Church of Jesus Christ, Art Bulla, 1978
• The Restorers or School of the Prophets, Robert C. Crossfield, 1979
• Zion's First International Church, LeeAnn Walker, 1980
• The Free Will Mormon Church, Franklin Lee Coleman, 1980
• Church of Jesus Christ, Jorge Mora, 1981
• Sons Ahman Israel, Davied Israel, 1981
• Samoan LDS Church, New Zealand, 1981
• The Millennial Church of Jesus Christ, Leo P. Evoniuk, 1981
• Peyote Way Church of God, Immanuel P. Trujillo, 1981
• The Chruch of Jesus Christ of the Saints in Zion, Ken Asay, 1984
• Break from the Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly, 1984
• Church of Jesus Christ of All Latter-day Saints or Restoration Church of Jesus Christ, Antonio A. Feliz, 1985
• Church of Christ of Latter-day Saints, Robert P. Madison, 1985
• Church of Christ the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Siegfried J. Widmar, 1985
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Fundamentalists, Wight Family, 1985
• Mormon Fundamentalists, England, Alan and Marian Munn, 1986
• Churchof Jesus Christ Omnipotent, 1987
• Community of Zion, Central Utah Division
• Church of the First Born, General Assembly

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ, Alpheus Cutler, 1853

• Church of Jesus Christ, Clyde Fletcher, 1953
• The Restored Church of Jesus Christ, Eugene O. Walton, 1979

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, 1851-1860

• Church of the Christian Brotherhood, Richard C. Evans, 1917
• The Church of Christ, the Order of Zion, John Zahnd, 1918
• The Church of Jesus Christ, Thomas W. Williams, 1925
• Church of Jesus Christ Restored, Stanley M. King, 1970
• New Jerusalem Church of Jesus Christ, Barney Fuller, 1975
• Church of Christ Restored, Paul Fishel, 1976
• True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Forrest Toney, 1980
• Church of the Restoration or Churches of Christ in Zion, Robert Chambers, 1981
• Lamanite Ministries for Christ or New Covenant Ministries for Christ, 1984
• Restoration Branches Movement, 1984
• Church of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, A. Lee Abramson, 1985
• Church of Jesus Christ, Zion's Branch, John Cato, 1986
• Church of Christ, David Clark, 1986
• Independent Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Christopher C. Warren, 1986
• Native Indian Church

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ, William Bickerton, 1862

• Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ, Allen Wright, 1907
• Primitive Church of Jesus Christ, James Caldwell, 1914

Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of Church of Christ (Temple Lot), Granville Hedrick, 1863

• Church of Christ, Independent, Informal, Frank F. Wipper, 1927
• The Church of Christ, Otto Fetting, 1929
• Church of Christ, P.A. Ely, 1929
• Church of Christ, C.W. Humphrey, 1929
• Church of Christ, Samuel Wood, E.J. Trapp, 1930
• Church of Christ (Restored), A.C. DeWolf, 1936
• Church of Christ, E. E. Long, Thomas Nerren, 1936
• Church of Christ, Paul Hilgendorf, 1942
• The Church of Christ With the Elijah Message, W. A. D. Draves, 1943
• Church of Christ, Pauline Hancock, 1946
• Antarctica Development Interests or the New American's Mount Zion, John Leabo, 1955
• Church of Christ at Zion's Retreat, Gerald Hall, 1973
• The Church of Israel, Dan Gayman, 1973
• Break from the Church of Christ (Hancock), Davison, Michigan, 1973
• The Church of Christ, Restored Gospel 1929, 1985

 

[Elsie]

...the Gospel of Christ as taught by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...

HMmmm...

[T Minus Four]

We always buy a few of the better stuff for the first hour pour. After a while they drink anything and everything.

"When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now." John 2:9-10

Oh my gosh I thought of the exact same thing the second I read UBs post!

[T Minus Four]

Amen caww, amen. The enemy is really stepping it up but he keeps using the same old tired deceptions...because people so easily fall for them!

[samtheman]

Outing yourself much?

[Elsie]

In your opinion we may be deceived, but I don’t feel like I’m in a frying pan at all.

Sorry; but it is not ANYONEs 'opinion', but clear biblical teaching.

The BIBLE illustrates quite well the two PERSONAGES that appeared to JS.

Shall we discuss THEM a bit?

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As to your FEELINGS, you'd make a poor Berean, for they searched the SCRIPTURES to see if what they were being taught was true.

[restornu]

The attitude of some here seems pretty much in line with those who have nominated themselves as being superior and will have a very painful wake up call when they find out they aren’t superior to ANYONE.

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When one is behaving less then they should be it might seem that way (which is not true the other does not hold that view) and that feeling for most folks feel wash over them telling them that they are out of line!

[Elsie]

But while one portion of the human race is judging and condemning the other without mercy,

It appears that this fellow had read JS' opening statements in his religious war...

[T Minus Four]

reaganut

Some times you feel like a nut...

Or a girl :-)

[Elsie]

 

Not in my experience, reaganaut.

 

It appears that EXPERIENCES can be deceiving...

 

 

If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.

 

 

If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.

 

Galatians 1:7-10
 7.  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 9.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

 

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

 Revelation 13:13-15
 13.  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
 14.  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”  

 

 

 

 

 

[ejonesie22]

Slumming again I see...

;-)

[Elsie]

If you’re not LdS, then I apologize for my comment.

If you’re not LdS, then WHY are you getting upset about us ANTI Mormons?
We are not kicking YOUR dog.

[T Minus Four]

I think you know that I believe (and know) that the Jesus of the Bible is the very same Jesus that I worship as a Latter-day Saint.

Norm, that is just not possible! The Jesus I worship is eternal, not created. He was never a "spirit baby". He did not "make it possible for me to be resurrected" by sweating blood in the garden, He died an ugly, brutal death on the cross, in fulfillment of numerous prophecies, so all my sins can be forgiven. He asks NOTHING of me but to believe in His person, His power and His love and He offers me grace. He is God. He is my God.

[Normandy]

Hi caww, no reluctance as far as I am concerned.

In the Book of Mormon Jesus speaks about the Crucifixion:

3 Nephi 27: 13 Behold I have given unto you my gospel, and this is the gospel which I have given unto you—that I came into the world to do the will of my Father, because my Father sent me.

14 And my Father sent me that I might be lifted up upon the cross; and after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, that I might draw all men unto me, that as I have been lifted up by men even so should men be lifted up by the Father, to stand before me, to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil—

15 And for this cause have I been lifted up; therefore, according to the power of the Father I will draw all men unto me, that they may be judged according to their works.

[T Minus Four]

Pinging someone means if you mention their name in a post, you add their name to the “to:” block as a courtesy. I learned this the hard way :-)

[Tennessee Nana]

We are not kicking YOUR dog.
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No but the stray mutt is being fed by the upset ones..

[Elsie]

All I did was introduce doubt, never explained what God said.

That can come at ANY time!

[T Minus Four]

Resty, name one doctrine I have as a Christian that you disagree with. Please.