Posted on 06/11/2010 9:41:34 AM PDT by NYer
A while back, I posted a thread from the national news coverage of this event. Here is a more local perspective. Quite a journey!
*8A former Anglican pastor will become the Roman Catholic Diocese of Harrisburg’s first married priest when he’s ordained Saturday in Springettsbury Township.**
More and more dioceses are gaining these Anglican priests. Wonderful trend. I know our archdiocese has two.
(What a minute. This guy's not a homosexual child molestor! Why are they letting him marry?)
For the record I support a celibate priesthood. But I also support proven ministers from other traditions (Anglican etc) who desire to serve in the Catholic church being allowed to become priests. (Of course, as a Penetcostal my opinion really doesn't matter a hill of beans :^) )
wELL...
I guess it really doesn’t matter then, all that stuff about celibacy. This is what makes the church look ridiculous...and Catholics ambivalent about the ‘tradition”...
Cafeteria Catholics??? Its more like a Cafeteria Church.
I can see all the jokes about having a married Jewish priest...
Here we have a man who has proved over several decades that he is an excellent pastor and really possesses the character, skills and qualities necessary for the job. It is at once charitable and practical for this man to be ordained.
REH's "cafeteria" comments are pretty nonsensical. Every Eastern Rite parish priest is married - are Eastern Catholics "cafeteria Catholics"?
i read the title, then saw the menorah in the picture and said to myself, there is someone Jewish in that home....little did i know until i read the article. there is.
My comment on ‘cafeteria” Catholics & cafeteria Church is meant to point out the glaring chasm between the catholic church’s determined and rigid stance on NO MARRIED PRIESTS...( which I respect and have defended for years because I truly believe that is a full committment, with no others).
Now...what happened to the “a priest is MARRIED to the church...the church is his BRIDE” ?
“........and a discipline can be relaxed in exceptional cases.”
HEY, BRING ON THE WOMEN PRIESTS!....sure must be some exceptional cases!
Clarification, priests are not allowed to marry; however, married men may become priests. Big difference!
The Catholic Church has many married priests, the majority of them are in the Eastern Catholic Churches. Among the Eastern Churches, there are also many celibate priests. Freeper JohnO identified himself as a Pentecostal who, like you, understands and supports the celibate priesthood. To truly understand the quandary presented by a married priesthood, it is important to understand the role distinction between husband and priest. A husband's first priority is to his family, whereas that of a priest is towards his parishioners. A Catholic priest, like a doctor, must be available to his parishioners 24 hrs/day. As the number of priests has shrunk and the number of Catholics has grown, it is not uncommon for some priests to find themselves in parishes with 700+ families. The sacramental nature of the Catholic Church sets the priest's agenda. The majority of priests are required to offer up daily Mass. They are also supposed to visit the sick on a regular basis which includes responding to emergency phone calls to administer the Sacrament of the Sick to those who are in the emergency room. They witness marriages and lead the prayers at funeral parlors for the dead. They say Funeral Masses and accompany the deceased to the cemetery to lead another prayer service and bless the soil in which they will be buried.
When a priest is married, these activities can run into direct conflict with their family life. As I noted above, priests may not marry but married men may become priests (only after a lengthy process that scrutinizes their marriage. There is no room in the church for divorced priests!) As a Roman Catholic, practicing my faith in one of the Eastern Catholic Churches, I have had this discussion on several occasions with our pastor, who is celibate. Perhaps the best view of how this plays out comes from Mar Nasrallah Cardinal Pierre Sfeir, who is Patriarch of the Maronite Catholic (Eastern) Church. The following article is from Catholic News Agency.
Oct 15, 2005
Speaking to the 11th General Synod Fathers, gathered for their eighth meeting this morning at the Vatican, Cardinal Nasrallah Pierre Sfeir, who is Patriarch of Antioch of the Maronites in Lebanon--a Catholic rite which allows for married priests--addressed the issue, which has been brought up by many, particularly in light of the U.S. sex abuse scandal, of commonly permitting married priests in the Roman rite.
Vatican City, Oct. 07, 2005 (CNA) - The Cardinal defended the practice of the celibate priesthood and discussed the beauty of the tradition, calling it the "most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church."
While pointing out that "the Maronite Church admits married priests" and that "half of our diocesan priests are married", the Cardinal Patriarch said that "it must be recognized that if admitting married men resolves one problem, it creates others just as serious."
"A married priest", he said, "has the duty to look after his wife and family, ensuring his children receive a good education and overseeing their entry into society. ... Another difficulty facing a married priest arises if he does not enjoy a good relationship with his parishioners; his bishop cannot transfer him because of the difficulty of transferring his whole family.
He noted that "married priests have perpetuated the faith among people whose difficult lives they shared, and without them this faith would no longer exist."
"On the other hand," he said, "celibacy is the most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church,"
Lamenting a culture which is all but outright opposed to purity, the Cardinal asked: "How can [celibacy] be conserved in an atmosphere laden with eroticism? Newspapers, Internet, billboards, shows, everything appears shameless and constantly offends the virtue of chastity."
Suggesting that there are no easy solutions to the problem of priest shortages in the Church--an oft brought up point during the Synod--he noted that, "Of course a priest, once ordained, can no longer get married. Sending priests to countries where they are lacking, taking them from a country that has many, is not the ideal solution if one bears in mind the question of tradition, customs and mentality. The problem remains."
There was a time when marriage was viewed by society as a once in a lifetime commitment. Today, that is no longer the case. More than 1/2 of all marriages end in divorce. The Catholic Church cannot support divorced priests.
Wow..what a thoughtful and generous effort in responding to my rant.Thank you.
The other reason I am upset about ‘married ‘priests in the Roman Catholic church is...it really reinforces the idea that “as long as it’s a man, well, he can be a deacon or a married priest.,.just so long its not a woman.” That plays right into the “the church is unfair to women”.
which is supposed to mean what?
Let me know if you require further edification.
Nothing happened to it.
The fact is that most Latin Rite priests for over a millenium were cradle Catholics ordained between the ages of twenty and twenty-five.
It is impossible to discern at that age whether a man will be able to responsibly balance a pastorate and a married life. Therefore, the discipline of making his pastorate the center of his personal life.
In a circumstance when we have a man of 51 who is a happily married husband and father who has also been a successful non-Catholic pastor for decades, a discernment can be made.
Such cases should be rare, because in real life such felicitous combinations of circumstances truly are rare.
HEY, BRING ON THE WOMEN PRIESTS!....sure must be some exceptional cases!
If you really cannot tell the difference between a married man and a woman, you should probably refrain from thinking too hard about these matters.
For anyone else reading this post, I remind them that priestly celibacy is a discipline exercised by the Church solely in the Latin Rite, while the exclusively male priesthood is a matter of doctrine for the universal Church and therefore cannot be modified.
Ordination of married men, from Saint Peter down to Paul Schenck, has always been possible and has been practiced with discernment through every age of the Church. Ordination of women is impossible and has never been practiced at any time by the Church.
There can be, depending upon the Rite, marriage before ordination.
There cannot be, regardless of Rite, marriage after ordination.
This obtains not just in every Rite of the Catholic Church but also in all the Orthodox churches and Oriental Orthodox churches.
I appreciate your informed post, but don’t appreciate the sarcsam.
I have reviewed your post carefully.
You know it's coming, I know it's coming. The FR contingent is vested in viewing their church through the lense of a traditionalism that no longer exists, if it ever did. Anglicans are just a little less encumbered by bureaucracy. Hey, they've both already got practicing homosexual priests. The one is upfront about it; the other isn't.
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