Posted on 06/09/2010 7:23:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Even if "overpopulous" were a real word, it would be difficult to define.
The entire continent of Africa has 1 billion inhabitants. It is 3 times the size of China, which has 30% more inhabitants yet has 70% less land.
China is also much wealthier than Africa, despite being much more crowded.Within America itself, some of the most crowded areas are the wealthiest (central New Jersey, southern Connecticut, southern California) while some of the most sparsely populated are the poorest (North Dakota, western Arkansas).
Your thesis doesn't really hold water.
It really comes down to culture more than population density.
As I said, I hope Rome keeps pushing this presumptuous agenda, foolishly equating contraception with a real abomination like abortion.
We Protestants will welcome the thousands of families who leave Rome over this point and who will one day realize God has led them to a sturdier faith.
Individual tax rates would go down because the whole socialist ponzi scheme would have sufficient workers.
Remember that these ‘kids’ would all be 60 and under.
Luther, Calvin, Wesley, all of them condemned contraception.
This isn’t a Catholic issue. This is a modernist/traditionalist argument.
No one will argue your right to self-determination. However, to think that you are in charge of your own destiny is an extreme hubris. No one on this thread has argued for the government to crack down on your bedroom habits... they are discussing right and wrong; God's Way or man's way; selflessness or selfishness. What good is the Church or the Bible if it doesn't impose an obligation on the faithful to be... faithful?
I will answer the question you have missed... "What is the foundation of liberty?" The divine origin of man (according to G.K. Chesterton).
Using that definition, no one has ever possessed liberty, since our bodies are subject to all kinds of infirmities, diseases and physical limitations. Most of our physical reactions are beyond our conscious control.
Moreover, our lives are, from the very beginning, controlled by all sorts of forces beyond our command - our family situation, our innate physical and mental abilities, etc.
Our free will operates only within a certain restricted field that is determined in large part by forces beyond our control.
But even if we possessed this mythical level of control over our bodies and lives - this amount of transcendent power - how would liberty be founded upon it?
Surely a person who was in utter control of his body and life could still use the power that control gave him to deprive others of liberty.
Surely liberty comes from some other foundation than simply power.
Then Onan apparently lived pleasurably ever after in your interpretation.
As I said, I hope Rome keeps pushing this presumptuous agenda, foolishly equating contraception with a real abomination like abortion. We Protestants will welcome the thousands of families who leave Rome over this point and who will one day realize God has led them to a sturdier faith.
Thanks for the entertaining commercial break.
Let's return to your earlier claim: that God decides if and when we have children.
If this is the case, why would one ever use contraception?
If God decides, then no contraception is necessary.
At best it would be a needlessly superstitious practice.
They did not condemn contraception, per se. They condemned certain methods of contraception and they also chastized marriages which intentionally chose not to have children.
**A constant Christian teaching was completely undone among Protestants in a mere thirty years. This brings up an unsettling choice...either the Holy Spirit was not guiding Christians before 1930 or Protestant Churches have been ignoring His guidance after 1960.**
Excellent summary!
Bravo for the NON-contracepting couples, both Catholic and Protestant! Contraception KILLS!
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Regardless, the old Jewish ritualistic laws have passed away. The New Testament does not forbid contraception.
As for the rest of your post, I'm not surprised Roman Catholics do not understand God's predestination of all things, given they take such pride in their own accomplishments.
God gave me my children. And he also numbered them.
So marriages where a couple intentionally chooses not to have a child are valid?
That is ridiculous. Diaphrams do not kill anyone.
“We’ve been told by RCs on FR that the OT has nothing to teach us and is extraneous to salvation.”
Evidence?
I’d like to see the quote by an RC on FR who said such a thing.
NT is the fulfillment of the Old, not the least stroke of the pen shall be removed from the law.
As Christians realize that population control is directly responsible for our global economic collapse, the Church's teaching on contraception will become one of the central points of Catholic apologetics.
Admit it... you made that up.
Ya ever try to take one out?
Yes, of course they are "valid."
Am I posting with a bunch of priests and nuns tonight whose personal life experiences are slim to none?
I think I’m done with this thread for the night.
Nice to see you posting.
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