Posted on 06/09/2010 4:58:10 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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as arbiters on behalf of Gods grace?
what a load
God alone affords those by Grace and Grace alone
Mitt Romney said he was driving through France and he pulled his car over and sobbed at the news.
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Yes it must have been a great disappointment for the “white and delightsome” boy...
I think you are confusing car incidents. Mitt was almost killed in a car crash in France.
It was at Harvard when the announcement happened in 1978, and said that’s where he pulled off the road in reaction to the announcement.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7415.html
In other words, it wasn't originally God's idea..God had to be "supplicated" to change this doctrine, He really wasn't convinced but they sold Him on the idea.
You may be correct. I didn’t look up the reference. However, Mitt DID make the statement.
It’s not a matter of me being correct. Read the Politico link, the story is there.
Here’s the video of Mitt describing the event.
http://www.breitbart.tv/romneys-eyes-well-with-tears-discussing-race-on-meet-the-press/
LOL...I take your word for it. The point is that Mitt said it made him cry, right?
The Book of Mormon is filled with the teaching that people with dark skins are cursed:
“...wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.” (Book of Mormon, page 61, verse 21)
“And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because at their transgression...” (Ibid., p. 201, v. 6)
On page 468, verse 15, of the Book of Mormon the following statement is made concerning the Indians: “ ...for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us,...”
The Book of Mormon, however, predicts that the Indians will repent of their sins and become white: “...and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and delightsome people.” (Book of Mormon, page 102, verse 6)
“From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel.” (Letter from the First Presidency, quoted in Mormonism and the Negro, by John J. Stewart and William E. Berrett, pp.46-47)
Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them...
“Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned...” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, page 477)
“Cain slew his brother... and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin.. ..How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, and they never can hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam’s children are brought up to that favourable position, the children of Cain cannot receive the first ordinances of the Priesthood.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol.7, pp. 290-291)
“When all the other children of Adam have had the privilege of receiving the Priesthood, and of coming into the kingdom of God, and of being redeemed from the four quarters of the earth, and have received their resurrection from the dead, then it will be time enough to remove the curse from Cain and his posterity... he is the last to share the joys of the kingdom of God.” (Ibid., Vol. 2, page 143)
Apostle Mark E. Petersen said that “If there is one drop of Negro blood in my children, as I have read to you, they receive the curse.” (Race Problems—As They Affect The Church, page 7)
“’The church has no intention of changing its doctrine on the Negro,’ N. Eldon Tanner, counselor to the First President told SEATTLE during his recent visit here. ‘Throughout the history of the original Christian church, the Negro never held the priesthood. There’s really nothing we can do to change this. It’s a law of God.’” (Seattle Magazine, December 1967, p. 60)
“Social pressure and even government sanctions cannot be expected to bring forth a new revelation... all the social pressure in the world will not change what the Lord has decreed to be....
“The prophets have declared that there are at least two major stipulations that have to be met before the Negroes will be allowed to possess the Priesthood. The first requirement relates to time. The Negroes will not be allowed to hold the Priesthood during mortality, in fact, not until after the resurrection of all of Adam’s children. The other stipulation requires that Abel’s seed receive the first opportunity of having the Priesthood... Negroes must first pass through mortality before they may possess the Priesthood (’they will go down to death’). Reference is also made to the condition that the Negroes will have to wait until after the resurrection of all of Adam’s children before receiving the Priesthood... the last of Adam’s children will not be resurrected until the end of the millennium. Therefore, the Negroes will not receive the Priesthood until after that time... this will not happen until after the thousand years of Christ’s reign on earth....
“The second major stipulation that needs to be met.. is the requirement that Abel’s seed receive the opportunity of holding the Priesthood first.” (The Church and the Negro, 1967, pp. 45-48)
“The reader will remember that Brigham Young, the second President of the Mormon Church, said that slavery was a ‘DIVINE INSTITUTION,’ and that the Civil War could not free the slaves (See Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p. 250); however, the Civil War did free the slaves, and Brigham Young was wrong....
“Brigham Young said that if a person who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the Negro the penalty is ‘DEATH ON THE SPOT’. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 10, page 110)
Brigham Young called this the ‘LAW OF GOD’ and said that ‘THIS WILL ALWAYS BE SO.’
“I would like to say something about the new revelation relative to our taking the priesthood to those of all nations and races.... There are statements in our literature by the early brethren which we have interpreted to mean that the Negroes would not receive the priesthood in mortality. I have said the same things, and people write me letters and say, ‘You said such and such, and how is it now that we do such and such? And all I can say to that is that it is time disbelieving people repented and got in line and believed in a living, modern prophet. Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or President George Q. Cannon or whomsoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.
“We get our truth and our light line upon line and precept upon precept. We have now had added a new flood of intelligence and light on this particular subject, and it erases all the darkness and all the views and all the thoughts of the past. They don’t matter any more.
“It doesn’t make a particle of difference what anybody ever said about the Negro matter before the first day of June of this year (1978). It is a new day and a new arrangement, and the Lord has now given the revelation that sheds light into the world on this subject. As to any slivers of light or any particles of darkness of the past, we forget about them.” (”All Are Alike Unto God,” by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie of the Council of the Twelve, pp. 1-2)
One thing that should be noted about the new “revelation” is that the Church has failed to produce a copy of it. All we have is a statement by the First Presidency that says a revelation was received.
The Salt Lake Tribune for June 13, 1978 reported: “Kimball refused to discuss the revelation that changed the church’s 148-year-old policy against ordination of blacks, saying it was ‘a personal thing.’...
“Kimball said the revelation came at this tine because conditions and and people have changed.
“’It’s a different world than it was 20 or 25 years ago. The world is ready for it,’ he said.”
Because of the new revelation concerning blacks, Bruce R. McConkie has had to make a number of changes in his “best seller”, Mormon Doctrine.
See full expose here: http://www.bible.ca/mor-blacks-racism.htm
I think you are confusing car incidents. Mitt was almost killed in a car crash in France.
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Yes in 1969 two time draft dodging “white and delightsome” Mitt was driving an expensive Citroen in Paris and living in a mansion while black men and other young men were dying in the jungles of Vietnam...
So ???
Never take Romney’s word for anything, Romney graduated Harvard Law school in 1975. In that video in post 9, he also lies about his father having marched with MLK.
“He graduated in 1975 cum laude from the law school”
“Romney was heavily recruited and, after graduation, chose to remain in Massachusetts and go to work for Boston Consulting Group”
“In 1977 he was hired away by Bain & Company”
“Romney became a vice president of the firm in 1978”
Mitt was almost killed in a car crash in France.
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Mitt was driving and a woman did get killed in that accident...
and widdle Mitty hardly got a bruise...
Do ya have any tears for the lady who died due to Mitt’s reckless driving ???
They had actually discussed that this would have to be done back in 1964. They just waited a while for the “message” to be received.
But remember this: “More will be revealed later.”
mormonic verses placemarker
he had received this revelation, which came to him after extended meditation and prayer in the sacred rooms of the holy temple, he presented it to his counselors, who accepted it and approved it.
Do you have a source for your statement, "They had actually discussed that this would have to be done back in 1964. They just waited a while for the “message” to be received."? IIRC, there were a lot of outside factors leading up to the "revelation" that may have taken up 14 years and influenced the message.
From Wikipedia on Harold Bingham Lee, 11th president of the LDS
It was Lee who blocked the LDS Church from rescinding the Negro doctrine in 1969, a move favored by Hugh B. Brown.
In 1969, after McKay’s health failed, and some others within the church leadership thought the doctrinal basis for the exclusion of people of African ancestry from the priesthood was shaky, the remaining First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (minus Harold B. Lee, who was traveling) voted to rescind the racial exclusion policy;
however, that vote was reversed when Lee returned and called for a re-vote, arguing that the policy could not be changed without a revelation. (Quinn, Michael D. The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power Salt Lake City: 1994 Signature Books Page 14)
When McKay died in 1970 Joseph Fielding Smith became church president and Lee was called as First Counselor in the First Presidency. He continued to gain practical experience for what was expected to be a long presidency of his own, he being decades younger than Smith.
However, Lee’s presidency proved one of the briefest in the history of the church, lasting from Smith’s death in July 1972 to Lee’s sudden fatal heart attack in December 1973.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
God don’t like racists
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