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To: Desdemona

I’m never going to understand the objection to art in church. Plain churches are just so sterile. There’s nothing sterile about beauty and inspiration from God.


32 posted on 06/08/2010 6:40:44 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona

Actually, come to think of it, when it comes to feeding, clothing and sheltering, as the big churches take years to construct, hundreds of bread-winners are able to provide for their families. These are usually not wealthy people, so that money is put into circulation.


34 posted on 06/08/2010 6:43:55 PM PDT by Desdemona
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Many Protestants hate beauty. Ralph Adams Cram, who was an expert in art and architecture, AND A PROTESTANT admitted this himself decades ago.

“From the outbreak of the Protestant revolution, the old kinship between beauty and religion was deprecated and often forgotten. Not only was there, amongst the reformers and their adherents, a definite hatred of beauty and a determination to destroy it when found; there was also a conscientious elimination of everything of the sort from the formularies, services, and structures that applied to their new religion. This unprecedented break between religion and beauty had a good deal to do with that waning interest in religion itself. Protestantism, with its derivative materialistic rationalism, divested religion of its essential elements of mystery and wonder, and worship of its equally essential elements of beauty. Under this powerful combination of destructive influences, it is not to be wondered at that, of the once faithful, many have fallen away. Man is, by instinct, not only a lover of beauty, he is also by nature a ‘ritualist,’ that is to say, he does, when left alone, desire form and ceremony, if significant. If this instinctive craving for ceremonial is denied to man in religion, where it preeminently belongs, he takes it on for himself in secular fields; elaborates ritual in secret societies, in the fashion of his dress, in the details of social custom. He also, in desperation, invents new religions and curious sects working up for them strange rituals . . . extravagant and vulgar devices that are now the sardonic delight of the ungodly. ... If once more beauty can be restored to the offices of religion, many who are now self-excommunicated from their Church will thankfully find their way back to the House they have abandoned. The whole Catholic Faith is shot through and through with this vital and essential quality of beauty. It is this beauty implicit in the Christian revelation and its operative system that was explicit in the material and visible Churches and their art. We must contend against the strongest imaginable combination of prejudices and superstitions. These are of two sorts. There is first, the heritage of ignorance and fear from the dark ages of the sixteenth century. I am speaking of non-Catholic Christianity. Ignorance of authentic history, instigated by protagonists of propaganda; fear of beauty, because all that we now have in Christian art was engendered and formulated by and through Catholicism; fear that the acceptance of beauty means that awful thing—’surrender to superstition.’ It is fear that lies at the root of the matter, as it does in so many other fields of mental activity.” (Radio Replies, vol. 2: 1052)


38 posted on 06/08/2010 6:54:54 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Desdemona
Plain churches are just so sterile.

My word exactly. There is something anti-beauty and anti-senses about them. It's almost Manichean or Gnostic.

Goodness, Truth and Beauty. They forget an important part of how we know God.

And, IMHO, the loss of the Sacrament of Eucharist is key. This more than anything else reduces a "church" to just a building.

43 posted on 06/08/2010 7:02:48 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Desdemona

I find the history of the art/achitect/science/medicine ect...via the teachings of our Catholic 2010 years facinating and how the common thread links all.

I have learned more in the few years of study than all my years on this earth.

A freind (non Catholic) just came from a trip from Italy and seeing the Churches and brought us a DVD on the history of the Vatican.
She said you probably know this..
Oh no and thank her so much adding there is so much to learn in our history in all subject matter life is not long enough.

That is whats so appealing to me and has my attention when exploring new areas like nothing I have ever experienced in my life.

Its beautiful!


100 posted on 06/08/2010 9:59:57 PM PDT by Global2010 ( I can't wait untill Lent comes in 2011.)
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