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John 14:6 For Dummies
Townhall.com ^ | May 31, 2010 | Mike Adams

Posted on 05/30/2010 3:07:53 PM PDT by Kaslin

I cannot imagine why someone would dedicate himself to a religion that provides just one of many equally valid paths to salvation. That’s why I was taken aback by my old friend Neal Boortz’ somewhat harsh treatment of a man who called his show some months ago and quoted John 14:6 as evidence that Christianity is the only path to heaven.

Of course, Neal isn’t a pastor and he tends to do things just to get a rise out of people. So his comments weren’t nearly as objectionable as Joel Osteen’s sidestepping of the “How many paths to heaven?” question on Larry King Live a few years ago.

For those who missed it, Joel was asked by Larry whether people had to know Jesus in order to get to heaven. But, for some reason, Joel couldn’t bring himself to provide the simple answer found in John 14:6. It reads as follows in the NASB translation: “Jesus said to him (Thomas), ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.’”

Just in case there are any millionaire pastors out there pretending not to get it (because it may hurt their book sales), the point is also made in John 10:7-9: “So Jesus said to them again, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.’”

Just in case anyone read the previous passage as saying, in effect, “I am one of many doors,” Matthew 7:13-14 is instructive: “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

Joel Osteen’s reply to Larry King’s question about Jewish salvation should have been addressed with a reference to the Parable of the Great Supper found in Luke 14:15-24. After rejecting Christ, Israel was shut out of the banquet. Many of those invited were killed in A.D. 70, the year the Temple fell. Luke 14:24 sums it all up (prophetically) in a single sentence: “For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste of my dinner.”

And, finally, even the wealthiest of men aspiring to be a man of God (and multi-millionaire best-selling author) cannot possibly be confused after reading Acts 4:12: “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

It should be evident to anyone having only a passing familiarity with the New Testament that Joel Osteen is simply pretending not to know the answer to the rather direct question posed to him by Larry King. At least two inter-related motives (for his decision to feign ignorance) are rather obvious.

1. Joel is getting rich from book sales and is concerned that telling the truth about the exclusive truth claims of Christianity would result in a loss of income. It should go without saying that avoiding the truth results in a loss of souls for Christ. But Joel Osteen seems to care more about lost income than he does about lost souls.

2.Joel Osteen has a really big church and is concerned that telling the truth about the exclusive truth claims of Christianity would result in a loss of congregants. Of course, many pastors are overly concerned with the size of their churches. When they gather at conferences, “How big is your church?” is always the question most frequently asked by one pastor to another. And, of course, the bigger churches do tend to be the wealthier ones. It all goes back to the choice between lost souls and lost income.

Clearly, pastors who can’t figure out – or pretend to be unable to figure out - the clear meaning of John 14:6 will have some explaining to do when they reach the other side. Much is expected of those entrusted with the awesome responsibility of leading a church.

Perhaps less is expected of the nominal Christian who flippantly dismisses the exclusive truth claims of Christianity. But, regardless, he is wrong to do so for at least two reasons:

1. When people shy away from exclusive truth claims they reinforce a dangerous trend in our society; namely the spread of relativism as a moral philosophy. Nowadays, people so frequently utter the phrase “It’s true for you, but not for me” that the words “truth” and “belief” are seen as synonymous. They are not.

2. The moment a nominal Christian denies John 14:6 he becomes an ex-Christian. If a man says that many religions provide a path to salvation he is, in effect, saying that Jesus was not telling the truth when he said otherwise on numerous occasions. If Jesus was not telling the truth then he did not lead a sinless life. If Jesus was not telling the truth he could not be God or even a “great moral leader” as some prefer to call Him.

There is a powerful tendency these days for men to want to appear to be, above all things, tolerant. But G.K. Chesterton said it best when he said that tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions. It might also be said that tolerance is the virtue of a man without salvation. Every man must choose between Truth and tolerance. He cannot choose both and expect to dine at the Great Supper.



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1 posted on 05/30/2010 3:07:53 PM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 05/30/2010 3:08:56 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

There is nothing like TRUTH on the Lord’s day. Amen


3 posted on 05/30/2010 3:18:19 PM PDT by fish hawk (the)
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To: fish hawk

Why is this in News/activism? This belongs in religion.


4 posted on 05/30/2010 3:21:57 PM PDT by refermech
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To: Kaslin
Joel Osteen is a hosebag.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6 is truth.

Non-Christians are pretty much screwed.

Especially those who have heard The Word and rejected it.

You listening, Bibi?

5 posted on 05/30/2010 3:22:38 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: SJackson; Nachum; Salem

Third rail ping.


6 posted on 05/30/2010 3:28:17 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Kaslin

Jesus said to Larry King, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except by me.” John 14:6


7 posted on 05/30/2010 3:29:25 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: refermech
Two things: Why ask me, I did not post this thread and I see religious stuff, mostly catholic, by the tons on here every day of the week. And maybe a number three: maybe God had this thread specifically for you today for some reason.
8 posted on 05/30/2010 3:36:16 PM PDT by fish hawk (the)
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To: humblegunner

The Bhagavad-Gita

 
Chapter VII
 
 
KRISHNA:

L
EARN now, dear Prince! how, if thy soul be set
 
Ever on Me—still exercising Yôg,
 
Still making Me thy Refuge—thou shalt come
 
Most surely unto perfect hold of Me.
 
I will declare to thee that utmost lore,
        5
Whole and particular, which, when thou knowest
 
Leaveth no more to know here in this world.
 
 
 
  Of many thousand mortals, one, perchance,
 
Striveth for Truth; and of those few that strive—
 
Nay, and rise high—one only—here and there—
        10
Knoweth Me, as I am, the very Truth.
 
 
 
  Earth, water, flame, air, ether, life, and mind,
 
And individuality—those eight
 
Make up the showing of Me, Manifest.
 
 
 
  These be my lower Nature; learn the higher,
        15
Whereby, thou Valiant One! this Universe
 
Is, by its principle of life, produced;
 
Whereby the worlds of visible things are born
 
As from a Yoni. Know! I am that womb:
 
I make and I unmake this Universe:
        20
Than me there is no other Master, Prince!
 
No other Maker! All these hang on me
 
As hangs a row of pearls upon its string.
 
I am the fresh taste of the water; I
 
The silver of the moon, the gold o’ the sun,
        25
The word of worship in the Veds, the thrill
 
That passeth in the ether, and the strength
 
Of man’s shed seed. I am the good sweet smell
 
Of the moistened earth, I am the fire’s red light,
 
The vital air moving in all which moves,
        30
The holiness of hallowed souls, the root
 
Undying, whence hath sprung whatever is;
 
The wisdom of the wise, the intellect
 
Of the informed, the greatness of the great,
 
The splendor of the splendid. Kunti’s Son!
        35
These am I, free from passion and desire;
 
Yet am I right desire in all who yearn,
 
Chief of the Bhâratas! for all those moods,
 
Soothfast, or passionate, or ignorant,
 
Which Nature frames, deduce from me; but all
        40
Are merged in me—not I in them! The world—
 
Deceived by those three qualities of being—
 
Wotteth not Me Who am outside them all,
 
Above them all, Eternal! Hard it is
 
To pierce that veil divine of various shows
        45
Which hideth Me; yet they who worship Me
 
Pierce it and pass beyond.
 
        I am not known
 
To evil-doers, nor to foolish ones,
 
Nor to the base and churlish; nor to those
        50
Whose mind is cheated by the show of things,
 
Nor those that take the way of Asuras.
 
 
 
  Four sorts of mortals know me: he who weeps,
 
Arjuna! and the man who yearns to know;
 
And he who toils to help; and he who sits
        55
Certain of me, enlightened.
 
 
 
        Of these four,
 
O Prince of India! highest, nearest, best
 
That last is, the devout soul, wise, intent
 
Upon “The One.” Dear, above all, am I
        60
To him; and he is dearest unto me!
 
All four are good, and seek me; but mine own,
 
The true of heart, the faithful—stayed on me,
 
Taking me as their utmost blessedness,
 
They are not “mine,” but I—even I myself!
        65
At end of many births to Me they come!
 
Yet hard the wise Mahatma is to find,
 
That man who sayeth, “All is Vâsudev!” 
 
 
 
  There be those, too, whose knowledge, turned aside
 
By this desire or that, gives them to serve
        70
Some lower gods, with various rites, constrained
 
By that which mouldeth them. Unto all such—
 
Worship what shrine they will, what shapes, in faith—
 
’Tis I who give them faith! I am content!
 
The heart thus asking favor from its God,
        75
Darkened but ardent, hath the end it craves,
 
The lesser blessing—but ’tis I who give!
 
Yet soon is withered what small fruit they reap
 
Those men of little minds, who worship so,
 
Go where they worship, passing with their gods.
        80
But Mine come unto me! Blind are the eyes
 
Which deem th’ Unmanifested manifest,
 
Not comprehending Me in my true Self!
 
Imperishable, viewless, undeclared,
 
Hidden behind my magic veil of shows,
        85
I am not seen by all; I am not known—
 
Unborn and changeless—to the idle world.
 
But I, Arjuna! know all things which were,
 
And all which are, and all which are to be,
 
Albeit not one among them knoweth Me!
        90
 
 
  By passion for the “pairs of opposites,”
 
By those twain snares of Like and Dislike, Prince!
 
All creatures live bewildered, save some few
 
Who, quit of sins, holy in act, informed,
 
Freed from the “opposites,” and fixed in faith,
        95
Cleave unto Me.
 
 
 
        Who cleave, who seek in Me
 
Refuge from birth and death, those have the Truth!
 
Those know Me BRAHMA; know Me Soul of Souls,
 
The ADHYATMAN; know KARMA, my work;
        100
Know I am ADHIBHUTA, Lord of Life,
 
And ADHIDAIVA, Lord of all the Gods,
 
And ADHIYAJNA, Lord of Sacrifice;
 
Worship Me well, with hearts of love and faith,
 
And find and hold Me in the hour of death.
        105
 
 
Here endeth Chapter VII. of the Bhagavad-Gîtâ,
 
entitled “Vijnânayôg,” or “The Book
 
of Religion by Discernment”
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
Chapter XII
 
 
 
ARJUNA:

L
ORD! of the men who serve Thee—true in heart—
 
As God revealed; and of the men who serve,
 
Worshipping Thee Unrevealed, Unbodied, far,
 
Which take the better way of faith and life?
 
 
 
KRISHNA:

Whoever serve Me—as I show Myself—
        5
Constantly true, in full devotion fixed,
 
These hold I very holy. But who serve—
 
Worshipping Me The One, The Invisible,
 
The Unrevealed, Unnamed, Unthinkable,
 
Uttermost, All-pervading, Highest, Sure—
        10
Who thus adore Me, mastering their sense,
 
Of one set mind to all, glad in all good,
 
These blessed souls come unto Me.
 
        Yet, hard
 
The travail is for whoso bend their minds
        15
To reach th’ Unmanifest. That viewless path
 
Shall scarce be trod by man bearing his flesh!
 
But whereso any doeth all his deeds,
 
Renouncing self in Me, full of Me, fixed
 
To serve only the Highest, night and day
        20
Musing on Me—him will I swiftly lift
 
Forth from life’s ocean of distress and death
 
Whose soul clings fast to Me. Cling thou to Me!
 
Clasp Me with heart and mind! so shalt thou dwell
 
Surely with Me on high. But if thy thought
        25
Droops from such height; if thou be’st weak to set
 
Body and soul upon Me constantly,
 
Despair not! give Me lower service! seek
 
To read Me, worshipping with steadfast will;
 
And, if thou canst not worship steadfastly,
        30
Work for Me, toil in works pleasing to Me!
 
For he that laboreth right for love of Me
 
Shall finally attain! But, if in this
 
Thy faint heart fails, bring Me thy failure! find
 
Refuge in Me! let fruits of labor go,
        35
Renouncing all for Me, with lowliest heart,
 
So shalt thou come; for, though to know is more
 
Than diligence, yet worship better is
 
Than knowing, and renouncing better still
 
Near to renunciation—very near—
        40
Dwelleth Eternal Peace!
 
        Who hateth nought
 
Of all which lives, living himself benign,
 
Compassionate, from arrogance exempt,
 
Exempt from love of self, unchangeable
        45
By good or ill; patient, contented, firm
 
In faith, mastering himself, true to his word,
 
Seeking Me, heart and soul; vowed unto Me,—
 
That man I love! Who troubleth not his kind,
 
And is not troubled by them; clear of wrath,
        50
Living too high for gladness, grief, or fear,
 
That man I love! Who, dwelling quiet-eyed,
 
Stainless, serene, well-balanced, unperplexed,
 
Working with Me, yet from all works detached,
 
That man I love! Who, fixed in faith on Me,
        55
Dotes upon none, scorns none; rejoices not,
 
And grieves not, letting good and evil hap
 
Light when it will, and when it will depart,
 
That man I love! Who, unto friend and foe
 
Keeping an equal heart, with equal mind
        60
Bears shame and glory, with an equal peace
 
Takes heat and cold, pleasure and pain; abides
 
Quit of desires, hears praise or calumny
 
In passionless restraint, unmoved by each,
 
Linked by no ties to earth, steadfast in Me,
        65
That man I love! But most of all I love
 
Those happy ones to whom ’tis life to live
 
In single fervid faith and love unseeing,
 
Eating the blessèd Amrit of my Being!
 
 
 
Here endeth Chapter XII. of the Bhagavad-Gîtâ,
        70
entitled “Bhakityôgô,” or “The Book of
 
the Religion of Faith”

9 posted on 05/30/2010 3:37:34 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Kaslin
Tolerance is the virtue of a man without salvation.
Environmentalism is the virtue of a man without salvation.
Voting for obama is the virtue of a man without salvation.
Wanting socialism is the virtue of a man without salvation.
Being anti-American is the virtue of a man without salvation.

These are the false righteousness that people substitute for Christ because these are easily made and let them keep their arrogance as well.
10 posted on 05/30/2010 3:38:55 PM PDT by Duke of Milan
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To: refermech; All
Why is this in News/activism? This belongs in religion.

It is in News because it deals with a subject highly relevant in today's polarized environment, with a muslim-lovin' Communist in the White House, liberal dirtbags like Larry King prompting allegedly 'Christian' pastors to say or at least raise the possibility that there are 'many ways to Heaven' when Scripture clearly states that such is not so.

Joel Osteen is a money grubbing charlatan, no different than Benny Hinn or any of those clowns, and Benny's only claim to fame is that he has such bad breath, that it knocks people over.

So you better believe this belongs in 'News', and if you haven't gotten right with Jesus, today would be a fine day to do it.
11 posted on 05/30/2010 3:39:55 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: James C. Bennett

Yeah, awesome Indian stuff.
By the many arms of Vishnu I swear it is true.

I’ve got to go feed the Monkey god and clean up after the Elephant god.

Cheers.


12 posted on 05/30/2010 3:42:12 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: James C. Bennett

Sorry, but your point isn’t readily discernible...what is your point?


13 posted on 05/30/2010 3:43:43 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: mkjessup

“Benny’s only claim to fame is that he has such bad breath, that it knocks people over.”

True story, evidence here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a54iqEr1flQ


14 posted on 05/30/2010 3:44:23 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: humblegunner

LOL!


15 posted on 05/30/2010 3:44:36 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: CincyRichieRich

It was in reply to Humblegunner’s post that all non-Christians are screwed, including the Jews (Judge not? LOL!).

I posted that passage to illustrate that such declarations are made by other religions as well.


16 posted on 05/30/2010 3:46:28 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
I posted that passage to illustrate that such declarations are made by other religions as well.

So?

What is it with Americans that they seem to think the same question getting five different answers from five different sources is prima facie evidence NONE of them are correct?

Insanity!

17 posted on 05/30/2010 3:54:52 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: refermech
BARACK OBAMA, U.S. SENATOR “So, I have a deep faith. I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people, that there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and that there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.” (snip)

He is saying, essentially, that all people of faith – Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone – know the same God. It is, perhaps, an unlikely theological position for someone who places his faith squarely at the feet of Jesus to take. But that depends on how you hear a verse from the Gospel of St. John, where Jesus says, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me,” Obama says.

Source: http://www.simplysharing.com/assuringlight/obama.htm

18 posted on 05/30/2010 4:01:07 PM PDT by donna (The Feminist ideal comes to fruition in the Republican Party. Betty Friedan laughs.)
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To: CincyRichieRich
Sorry, but your point isn’t readily discernible...what is your point?

I think his point was that he wanted to mock the Bible's claims while mocking those who believe them. What he really needed to do was to have refuted the resurrection of Jesus Christ as well as the 54+ prophecies of the return of Israel after having been scattered. That stupid little tautological, circuitous diagram was one of the most vicious little mockeries I have ever seen.

19 posted on 05/30/2010 4:08:39 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Migraine

There is a group of people who want Christianity taken out of the public square, even here.


20 posted on 05/30/2010 4:21:14 PM PDT by donna (The Feminist ideal comes to fruition in the Republican Party. Betty Friedan laughs.)
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