Posted on 05/29/2010 11:36:46 PM PDT by Colofornian
Why do you spend so much making judgements against LDS from stuff that happened over a century ago?
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Because the LDS church is STILL lying about it, whitewashing history and spinning it to put them in the best light.
It is past time for them to stop playing the innocent victim.
Well said. Dirtboy is very obviously NOT a historian.
Newsflash: Historians spend their LIVES studying things that happened a lot further in the past than 100 years ago, and commenting on them.
What’s NOT mentioned in the article (and may have been left out of this BYU prof’s presentation):
12 days before this attack: •On October 18, 1838, Joseph Smith, Hyrum Smith, Lyman Wight, D. W. Patten at the head of 40 men made a descent on Gallatin, the county seat of Daviess, and they burned the only store and stole their goods. Previous to the 25th of October a great part of the Mormons residing in Caldwell County had returned home with their dividend of plunder.
6 days before this attack: • On October 25, 1838, the Battle of Crooked River: Mormon forces attacked (unknowingly?) the Missouri state militia under the command of Samuel Bogart. This incident became one of the principal points of conflicts in 1838 Missouri. The battle resulted in the death of three militia and the LDS leader, David Patten. One of the militia was taken prisoner by the Mormons.
Source: http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/mormonism/are-christians-persecuting-mormons
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I did not know this...
Did anyone here know this ???
The mormons had attacked the MO state militia ???
No wonder the MO Gov had ordered the moprmons to quit it or leave the state...
Joey Smith and his band of cutthroats had attacked and burned a store and stolen all the goods...the original Hole-in-the-Wall-Gang...
No wonder the militia were coming to arrest them...
and no wonder Joey Smith later wrote this aaying that the mormon god drove the mormons out of OH and MO because of their sins...
D&C 98:18-19: “Behold...am not well pleased with many who are in the church at Kirtland; For they do not forsake their sins, and their wicked ways, the pride of their hearts, and their covetousness, and all their detestable things...”
D&C 50:4 — what Smith told the LDS church at Kirtland in May, 1831: “Behold...have looked upon you, and have seen abominations in the church that profess my name...”
“...the inhabitants of Zion are terrible...” (D&C 45:70)
Also, Smith said that the affliction, persecution and being cast out of the land of inheritance (D&C 101:1)
was because God “suffered the affliction to come upon them, wherewith they have been afflicted, in consequence of their transgressions...” (D&C 101:2)
Would dirtboy ask ythe LDS why they have this fixation on claiming the Gospel was lost two-thousand years ago and restored in the 1830’s? Why do LDS claim the Bible is not translated correctly? And it goes on and on, giving the LDS the benefit of the doubt as they dissemble and deceive repeatedly.
dissembling and deception you name is mormonism...
It’s relevant because they’re (LdS) revisionists when it comes to portraying their history.
They want to be the only ones to be able to “tell the stories” of their “persecutions” at the hands of the so-called “anti-mormons” when in reality, they brought it upon themselves.
I doubt many reading this for the first time would recognize the precursors leading up to the Hawn’s Mill “massacre”. I personally know a few mormons who truly believe it was an unprovoked attack and would probably say that this information is a lie. Like one on this board already implied.
When you control the message, you control the people.
What’s the matter Resty? Is it too hard to comprehend that the mormons weren’t the “poor”, “oppressed” and “persecuted” victims of anti-mormons as you’ve been led to believe by SLC?
Nice evasive answer. But I expected that.
Why are white people being judged from stuff that happened over a century ago? ;0)
I’m sure we’ll get to the bottom of everything the Mormons did in the nineteenth century if we have enough threads.
Meantime I’ll be sure to distrust every Mormon cop or soldier I meet. After all, they might go on a massacre or something.
/sarcasm
Yes, Lurkers: those statements were PROVIDED by LDS, Inc. for your understanding of HOW Joseph Smith managed to build up such a pile of resentment and rancor that it got him killed.
OOOOh!
LIBERALS!1
That alMOST as good as using the NAZI word!!!
(’cept Homey don’t play dat!)
Oh, DB, it's OVER a century ago that we hold MODERN Mormons up to shame!
They are the ones with ACCESS to the things that were SO hard to find just a few short years ago.
Now (Thanks SO much to MORMON data enterers) we have their history and just GOBS of info in which to dig.
And DIG we do (like the Bereans who were so praised by Paul) to see if what they say and have said can stand up to the rigors of investigation.
Bash the messenger all you want; we can take it.
Can the MESSAGE of the 'church' withstand onslaughts of the TRUTH?
Nah... that's all over in MORMONWIKI.
Looks like some folks handling the BoM as they have (you know; the one CONTAINING them plain and precious truths), gthem folks gots some Splaining to do; Lucy!
This week, on the Western frontier, a band of MORMON choirboys were set upon and killed by vicious ANTIs; furious that their Religion of Man was being exposed.
Larry, it's real simple. I've got Lds family/extended family. Easy to love people.
By & large, Lds are externally great people. I'm sure the Fancher party had few fears wanderin' thru Southern Utah in 1857. They thought the worst was still ahead. But that's what deception does; it sets people up for false security.
(Surely you've encountered enough crime victims who thought they were "secure" - yet weren't?)
Who was Jesus "harshest" on, Larry? (Religious legalists)
Who did Jesus compliment on outward behavior? (Religious legalists...he said unless your righteousness exceeded the Pharisees, "you would in no wise inherit the Kingdom")
Who did Jesus rail against their inward state? [Again, the Pharisees...compared them to cups clean on the outside; filthy on the inside; and to whitewashed gravestones (white on the outside; dead men within)]
So the key thing to "distrust" among Mormons is their deceptive false "gospel" message. And I'll I'm asking is that you view Mormons the way you might view Jehovah's Witnesses. Often sincere people trying to do right, but abiding by the wrong religious authorities.
The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Mormonism By Drew Williams
General Atchison to the Commander-in-Chief.
Liberty, September 27, 1838.
To the Commander-in-Chief.
Sir:-I received a communication by express on the 26th inst., together with a report from Brigadier General Parks, who is in command of the troops, left by me in Daviess county. I have made two reports to your Excellency, one sent by Maj. Rogers, and the other by mail, neither of which I presume your Excellency has received; one dated the 17th of September, the other the 20th of September. The force under General Parks is deemed sufficient to execute the laws and keep the peace in that county, things are not so bad in that county as represented by rumor, and in fact from affidavits I have no doubt your Excellency has been deceived by the exaggerated statements of designing or half crazy men. I have found there is no cause of alarm on account of the Mormons; they are not to be feared; they are very much alarmed. I transmit a report made to me by General Parks, dated 25th of September, and from that report I learn that the General has reported to your Excellency.
I have the honor to be &c.
DAVID R. ATCHISON.
General Lucas to the Governor.
Boonville, Mo., October 4, 1838.
Dear Sir:—As we passed down the Missouri River, on Monday last, we saw a large force of Mormons at De Witt in Carroll county, under arms. Their commander, Col. Hinkle, formerly of Caldwell county, informed me that there were two hundred, and that they were hourly expecting an attack from the citizens of Carroll county, who, he said, were then encamped only six miles from there, waiting for a reinforcement from Saline county. Hinkle said they had determined to fight. News had just been received at this place, through Dr. Scott of Fayette, that a fight took place on yesterday, and that several persons were killed. Dr. Scott informed me that he got his information from a gentleman of respectability, who had heard the firing of their guns as he passed down. If a fight has actually taken place, of which I have no
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doubt, it will create excitement in the whole upper Missouri, and those base and degraded beings will be exterminated from the face of the earth. If one of the citizens of Carroll should he killed, before five days I believe that there will be from four to five thousand volunteers in the field against the Mormons, and nothing but their blood will satisfy them. It is an unpleasant slate of affairs. The remedy I do not pretend to suggest to your Excellency. My troops, of the 4th Division, were only dismissed subject to further orders, and can be called into the field at an hour’s warning.
In haste, I have the honor to be, Your most ob’t serv’t.
SAMUEL D. LUCAS.
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