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1 posted on 05/27/2010 12:38:44 PM PDT by markomalley
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Italy is so infested with communists it’s sick. I can’t imagine wanting to do business there if I was anything other than a fashionista or shoemaker.


2 posted on 05/27/2010 12:41:24 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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All ‘Westernized’ Euro nations are like this. It is sad and scary. They are not reproducing at replacement rates, and Muslims are doubling the efforts.
Say hello to Sharia law, Europe.


3 posted on 05/27/2010 12:48:29 PM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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So sad. Italians aren’t having kids...but the Muslims are. Bel Paese...STOP...or START.


4 posted on 05/27/2010 12:51:29 PM PDT by mancini
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I see it around me all the time, people are so into themselves and their own needs and wants (mostly material), that aren’t willing to invest the time and love into children.


5 posted on 05/27/2010 12:59:03 PM PDT by tiki
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Its really kind of shocking that Italians, of all people, have few children. This is the opposite of what I’d expected.


6 posted on 05/27/2010 1:00:56 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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In other words, Italy (Italians), better "Keep on fruckin" or they'll disappear as a population.

FMCDH(BITS)

7 posted on 05/27/2010 1:06:28 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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Most western European countries have a low birthrate among their native citizens simply because it is too expensive to have children. This is a by-product of a Value Added Tax (VAT), which not so incidentally the 0bama regime is beginning to push for The US.


10 posted on 05/27/2010 1:11:13 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The 0bama regime represents an "Clear and Present Danger" to the US - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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A 1.3 fertlity rate seen in Italy, Greece, and Spain means that each woman gives birth to 1.3 children ove their lifetime.

It als means that 100 grandparents will generate only 41 grandchildren.

Good bye socialism. Goodbye EU. Goodbye eurozone. Goodbye European civilization.

It is truly THE END.


12 posted on 05/27/2010 1:13:48 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember ("Subtlety is not going to win this fight": NJ Governor Chris Christie)
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Well lets see, if you are a working family paying high taxes you cannot afford to have more than 2 kids. On the other hand, if you are a ward of the state you are given incentives to reproduce wildly. I wonder why the producers of society have decided to cut back on children? If Italy was serious, they would enact a $10,000 per child income tax deduction and offer every child a 2-year tuition voucher for successful completion of high school. Oh yea, this would mean Italy would have to cut back on subsidies to the poor. Replace Italy with America and you will understand my meaning.


16 posted on 05/27/2010 1:44:42 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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When a nation reaches a particular economic plateau, which varies by nation, abruptly its birthrate drops to sustainability. That is, to between 2.1 and 2.3 children per family. There are many reasons it does so.

Government will invariably want to increase this birthrate, but cannot do so directly. But it can, and usually does, lower the birthrate even further with its actions. And the national culture likewise can do much to lower birthrate as well.

When a country is poor, there are marked advantages to having more than two children. Children both represent family wealth, and they provide for the retirement of the parents. The birthrate is pushed even higher because of high childhood mortality. There needs to be “extra” children to replace those that die.

But when a country reaches that economic plateau, children no longer increase family wealth, but decrease it, by there being more mouths to feed. With this level of prosperity likewise there is better nutrition, so it is more likely that children will survive as well. And there are other forms of wealth that parents can use for their retirement.

But once families only have about 2 or 3 children, the government and the culture weighs in that with increasing prosperity, that the lives of these children must be “better”. So children need to go to school, have proper clothing, material goods, etc. And indeed this does help the children to lead better lives.

However, it makes it harder, and more expensive, for parents to *raise* children. This acts as a disincentive to having more children, so drives the birthrate lower. And the more intrusive and demanding the government and culture are about children, the fewer people will want to have them.

So modern, developed nations can be rated by how intrusive their government and culture are, by looking at how low their birthrate has become. Anything below about 1.8 children per family means a nanny government. Japan and Germany are rock bottom.

Interestingly, only one nation, the United States, has ever reversed this falling birthrate to a great extent. This was during the post WWII “baby boom”, and there are very good reasons it took place.

To start with, a very large number of men and women had been kept apart because of the war, and were highly motivated to get married and have children as soon as they could get a home.

Right then, the first real suburb, Levittown, New York, was built, and created a model for suburbia throughout the booming western US, though using the “ranch house” style of home developed by Frank Lloyd Wright and others.

So quickly, the west became filled with boom towns, themselves filled with young couples. The men wanted jobs, with which they could afford a home and a family. Soon the suburbs were filled with growing families, and were entirely family oriented. Unless you were a young child or parents with young children, there was little to do.

In other words, boring. Women, as housewives, had very little to do but have and raise children. And they did.

Eventually, though, the demographics started to change, and the birthrate started to drop again. Only when the parents were at peak childbearing age, clustered together, and in a family friendly, but otherwise boring place, was the reversal possible.


18 posted on 05/27/2010 1:49:06 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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The results of contaception — which is against their Catholicity.


33 posted on 05/27/2010 6:28:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Sounds like most of the West. Even here.


34 posted on 05/27/2010 7:03:58 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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"demographic winter"

excellent term...we got it too

producers here need to start reproducing again

meteroboys need to get testosterone injections and grow a pair

chinny gen x superwomen need to get breeding and get over themselves

laugh all u want..i am seeing girls today not wanting to be all that like their moms...they want to be actual moms

41 posted on 05/30/2010 10:36:56 AM PDT by wardaddy (No mosque at ground zero....are these NYers totally nuts?...what would wake them up?)
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