Posted on 05/25/2010 10:14:07 PM PDT by restornu
the children of the Lord have ears to hear and eyes to see to know the things of the Lord and to grasp the Parables of the Lord.
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THen why dont they do just that ???
Why are they reading garbage like the book of mormon ???
what is an a nit LDS? :-)
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How big are you Resty ???
Stand up...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
100 pounds wet...
Yeah youre a nit LSD...
err LDS
You wave that 'self taught' banner around alot. Could it be you are using it as an excuse to not have come up with an actual reply?
Every “religion” repeats the same basic line, “do this and you will be ok.” Mormonism is just the same as every other religion except for biblical Christianity. ONLY the Gospel comes slamming into our religious pretentiousness and says “you can do NOTHING. You are ruined. You are eaten up with sin, pride arrogance and rebellion against God. You have never had a righteous thought since the day you were born, and you only dig a deeper hole for yourself every day.” Anyone who claims the motivation to obey comes from the fear of punishment just shows they have “fallen from grace” in the sense that they don’t understand the gospel in the first place. The reason is that they don’t understand the righteousness standard of God in the first place. They want to scale it down, emasculate it, strip it down to some silly surface moralism confined to basic honesty in transactions, not swearing, keeping your pants up, no drunkenness, etc etc., maybe add some religious activities. This appeals to lost men in the only way they knows how to approach God. It is uncertainty and doubt and self effort, with an eye to the approving eye of men.
The problem is that this is a FLAT DENIAL of the whole sermon on the mount, Jesus deliberately and systematically destroys our “righteousness” beginning in the first beatitude. He says “blessed are the POOR IN SPIRIT.” The beginning of understanding the gospel is knowing you LACK. As long as one imagines they have something to bring to the table, they are not POOR. Again, one who claims they bring ANYTHING to the table (including your own obedience) argues with Jesus. He is the one who stated that you MUST be “perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect.” Not relatively good, not mostly obedient, not submissive, PERFECT.
Again, the ONLY way a man can claim to have lived in a way so as not to sin his way out of relationship with God is to RE-DEFINE sin to some pathetic set of external commands.
The problem with that view is that such a person DOES NOT see himself or herself as ruined, helpless, and utterly without hope without an alien righteousness given them. Instead they will settle for a slopover of moralistic religiosity and will actively resist the idea of a total cleansing from the inside out. It is much more comfortable to claim that Jesus dusts us off and rearranges a few of the more lurid details of our lives. We call that kind of person a PHARISEE in first century Palestine. We call them churchgoers, and certainly Mormons, nowadays. This whole sorry mess requires a man-centered view of sin, and thus a man-centered view of God.
Again, when Jesus came, he declared himself at war FIRST OF ALL with the religious community and told the religious moralists that they were equally if not more damned than the irreligious for precisely this reason. They proved him right by joining with the irreligious to murder him. This is always the response of the moralist in the end. They hate the true God, though they will speak warmly of a “God” they have invented, who looks benevolently on their good works.
Self-righteousness may even use the word “grace” and then redefine it to mean something other than a completely free and undeserved gift to people who cannot either deserve nor keep it on their own. When they come face to face with the relentless nature of the claims of grace as it is in the bible, though they hated it. Always have, always will.
Phil 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ( of Jesus Christ)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Yes. My bible also has a chapter 3 of Philippians, as well as a second chapter. Do you recall how Paul talks about all his righteousness? He uses a peculiar word for it.
My view of the bible is that you reconcile these passages rather than pick one and assume that it “refutes” the others.
My view of the bible is that you reconcile these passages rather than pick one and assume that it “refutes” the others.
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It is not that some of these passages contradicts another it depends on situation how it is being applied and yet at the same time may seem inconsistant for me when that happens is the moment to pray over it for clarification the Holy Ghost has always enlighten my mind for a clearer understanding.
That is a new one Pan_Yan,
...but what did I expect being between rocks and hard places that all of you love to forge and are so quick to damn if I do, and damn if I don’t!
Odd how you resort to ‘making it personal’ when backed into a doctrinal corner, but never hesitate to make your insults personal and the Mod just lets you slide.
If you read carefully I used you as in plural!
all of you!
If you see a post which you believe is making it personal, ping me or send me a Freepmail.
BTW even though Pan_Yam wife gives me a hard time I really like her!
Sorry confused Pan_Yam wife with Pan_Yam.
Thanks but no thanks.
The Catholic Church doesn’t consider mormonism to be a Christian religion. They will, however take your money and do good things with it.
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and feed and clothe people ...
unlike the mormons who use the money to build monumentsa to themselves...
If it were between Christians, fine. But having BEEN LDS, I know how they operate. They use minor points of doctrine as proof of the ‘apostasy’. That was the point of this thread.
Been there, done that, God freed me. But I do remember how they operate.
Amen. Unfortuantely, the LDS teach that we have to ‘pay Jesus back’ for His sacrifice by OUR works.
>>> They use minor points of doctrine as proof of the ‘apostasy’. That was the point of this thread.
Well, the point is well made.
However, if they are attempting to point out such a large rift using this issue, they fail to recognize that osas is a very small minority among all of the main line traditional Christian denominations. Even the Pentecostal denominations adhere to the non-osas doctrin. I am not aware of any main stream denomination besides Baptists who teach osas.
Most Christians on both sides of the fence unfortunately DO seem to treat this issue as a minor point. I do not... and that was my point.
What separates us from them though, is that we are not afraid of sharpening a little iron over this... and what they intend to use for weakening us actually strengthens us.
“Unfortuantely, the LDS teach that we have to ‘pay Jesus back’ for His sacrifice by OUR works.”
As if we could EVER be that good.
They think they can.
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