Posted on 05/24/2010 7:40:38 PM PDT by Colofornian
I’m holding in my hand my black hardcover copy of Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie, one of Mormonism’s most influential books, an all-time Mormon bestseller, which went out of print this week.
A book written, I’m sure, with the best of intentions by a revered Mormon leader. And, still, a book that continued to circulate even after other high-ranking Mormon leaders recommended more than one thousand corrections to its content.
A book that called Roman Catholicism the “Church of the Devil.” And a book that elevated to doctrinal status non-doctrinal folklore about the origins of the LDS Church’s ban on conveying priesthood authority to members of African descent, claiming that blacks were the descendents of the accursed Cain.
A book that due to its authoritative presentation and doctrinal fundamentalism gave many Mormons reasons for grief.
Mormon Doctrine (1958 – 2010), RIP.
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mormon crickets - lot ‘o them.
Excellent point of observation re: Mormon histerical...uh, I meant historical hypocrisy.
To hone in on even John...if John became an "apostate" how could an "apostate" appear to Joseph Smith?
Notice that as the Lds missionaries go around, they don't plainly say...
...Well, you see Jesus chose 12 apostles...
...Judas betrayed him...
...and then the other 11 did, too, by apostatizing within eight years as well...
...but that was "OK"...
...because God wanted to "honor" John's apostasy by keeping him alive for 2,000 years...
...so he's been alive all this time...
...and in fact, appeared to Smith almost 200 years ago...
...as this "apostate" bestowed authority upon Joseph Smith...
...and just to reinforce John's authority...
...he brought two apostate ghosts with him, Peter and James...
...I mean, oh sure, Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus as part of the transfiguration...
...but they weren't apostates and came direct from the Celestial Kingdom...
...whereas Mormon teaching is that anybody who's an "apostate" goes to outer darkness...
...so if our Mormon sources are right...
...and the Great Apostasy occurred prior to the events of Acts 11:26 -- less than 8 years after Christ's ascension...
...then the "still-alive" apostate John brought two apostate ghosts from "outer darkness" (the Mormon version of hell) to convey authority to Joseph Smith!!!
[There is no greater religion whose "historians" shoot themselves in the foot than Mormonism...
They shoot themselves not only in the foot, but...
...the hand [Mormon secret handshake symbology],
...the pelvic area [Mormon protective underwear; polygamy],
...the back [Joseph's brother, Hyrum, had a mysterious gunshot wound in the back...the mob shot him elsewhere and he never had his back to the line of shooters...whereas Joseph started returning fire with two guns...perhaps initially from directly behind Hyrum, where Joseph initially was]...
A lot more Mormon crickets than Mormon seagulls these days...the seagulls are starting to abandon Deseret in droves!
seagulls, desert - That just seems funny somehow.
I don't know how many times the Inmans have "identified" their "doctrine"...We are Believing Christians who worship the One True God and His Son.
Brick and mortar buildings do not enclose our souls while we are worshipping, only our bodies. There may be a denominational name on the door of our building but that only serves as an invitation to like-minded believers to enter and praise Him.
We do not make the brick and mortar building the center of our relationship with Jesus, but only Jesus the Center of our hearts.
Those whose worship is of the institution seem to be unable to fathom the freedom of Christ-centered worship and make an attempt to pin us to a narrow set of rules for their own comfort, not realizing that the Comforter laid down His rule (John 6:29 29) "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
What comfort Restonu, do you derive in statements like "hiding under the blanket name Christian is like hiding under the blanket name Muslim."?
One of my favorite songs is:
Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
Born of His Spirit, washed in His blood.
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long;
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long.
Perfect submission, perfect delight,
Visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
Angels descending bring from above,
Echoes of mercy, whispers of love.
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long;
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long.
Perfect submission, all is at rest,
I in my Savior am happy and blest;
Watching and waiting, looking above,
Filled with His goodness lost in His love.
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long;
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long.
Excellent point.
The Body of Christ is an organism, not an organization. We are alive and active. The Body of Christ is a real extension of Jesus Christ. Breathing. Living. Moving. We are "we" -- not an "it" -- like some religious organizations based out of SLC. Our bodies together constitute a "temple" of the Holy Spirit.
The word "ecclesiastical" has come to mean "religious." But that's NOT what it meant in the early church. The Greek word "ecclesia" = "called-out ONES"
If the Mormon church was a "restoration," Resty, IT would harken back to being the flesh-and-blood church of Paul's day. It hasn't. It's not, therefore, the Body of Christ.
Those whose worship is of the institution seem to be unable to fathom the freedom of Christ-centered worship and make an attempt to pin us to a narrow set of rules for their own comfort, not realizing that the Comforter laid down His rule (John 6:29 29) "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
And, I have to say, that this statement extends beyond a description of Mormonism. Some mainline Christendom has fallen into the religious trap of being "worship...of the institution."
Again, Resty, if the Mormon church was a "restoration" of the early church, then it would be meeting in homes -- not primarily buildings...worshiping in homes (or caves)...breaking bread in homes...etc.
The early church was not centered on the building. Mormonism, with its look-alike crossless church buildings and temples, is doubled on building focus than any other religious entity I can think of.
Amen!
Well said, especially this: Our bodies together constitute a "temple" of the Holy Spirit.
And this: The early church was not centered on the building. Mormonism, with its look-alike crossless church buildings and temples, is doubled on building focus than any other religious entity I can think of.
This reminds me of the hostility and jealousy the early mormon leaders had for the Catholic church, and I wonder if a great deal of the hostility was over the many beautiful cathedrals and churches that showcased the wealth of Catholicism. This might shed some light on the obsession that mormons have for pouring millions into their temples while keeping the local congregations on short rations, even to the point of requiring the members to perform the janitorial work.
The Catholics built hospitals, and orphanages along with their buildings of worship and I venture to say that Catholic Charities disburse many more times the dollar amount to the needy of the world than does the mormon church.
I'm a proud member of one of the churches that Joseph Smith said was apostate. Does that narrow it down for you?
These various denominations have been set up by men who are are not prophets nor hold the Lord’s priesthood none were given authority.
All of you can deny The Church of Jesus Christ Church of authority but your protest are in vain!
Like your humor!:)
Did not say it did plus the LDS is not a denomination!
Sorry, Christ established this church with all members as kings and priests (yes even women count - unlike mormonism) and all authority was given to believers.
Authority in mormonism is denied by the Bible in the book of Hebrews where aaronic priesthood was done away with and melchezidek can only be held by one person - Jesus. Authority in mormonism is based upon a fancy story (one of many) by joseph smith - a convicted con man/scam artist with the help of sidney rigdon.
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Resty, Jesus Himself is our Latter-day Living Revelation (Heb. 1:1-2). Notice the writer of Hebrews said that in former days God spoke thru prophets. (You don't belong to the Church of Former-day Saints, do you?)
And authority wise, the early church had prophetesses like Anna (Luke 2:36) and Philip's daughters (Acts 21:9). If your church was a "restoration," where are your prophetesses? Why have the male Mormon leaders shut them out?
Is that why you're online? 'Cause your fellow Mormons won't listen to a woman's voice like yours? And so you find expression elsewhere?
Have you ever asked your local bishop why Lds don't allow "prophetesses" or the prophetic gift given by the Holy Spirit to women -- if it's truly a New Testament time "restoration," that is?
These various denominations have been set up by men who are are not prophets...
Resty, if the Mormon church is a New Testament restoration, why is ONLY ONE member of the First Presidency designated a "prophet?" Didn't the NT church have more than one?
Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. (1 Cor. 14:29)
If Mormons can take an obscure passage from 1 Cor. 15 and developed a billion $ genealogy biz from it, why can't it add another prophet or two (based upon 1 Cor. 14) to its hierarchical lineup?
What? Didn't Joseph Smith know that the prophet Jeremiah prophesied the same time as Nahum, Ezekiel, Zephaniah, and Habbakuk?
Or that Isaiah and Micah were co-prophets?
Or that Amos and Hosea were co-prophets?
Or that Elijah and Elisha were co-prophets?
Or that Samuel and Nathan were co-prophets?
Or that Obadiah was directed by the Lord to hide 100 prophets?
If the Lds church is a "restoration," where are its simultaneous plural prophets?
If your first 7 or so "prophets" could "polyg" it and marry more than one wife...
...then certainly they knew the definition of "plural" did they not?
your protest are in vain!
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Grasshopper...
I’m not protesting anything...
I am stating emphaticly..
Mormonism is not Christianity...
nor is it conservative...
Joey Smith was just a rapist, murderer, thief, liar, mainline criminal, Calvinist, undercover Islamic, Servetus killer, anti-Christian who hated Chrsitians and started his own foul religion so that he could commit adultery and steal and vote Democrat without the conservative US government stopping him...
your protest are in vain!
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Grasshopper...
I’m not protesting anything...
I am stating emphaticly..
Mormonism is not Christianity...
nor is it conservative...
Joey Smith was just a rapist, murderer, thief, liar, mainline criminal, Calvinist, undercover Islamic, Servetus killer, anti-Christian who hated Chrsitians and started his own foul religion so that he could commit adultery and steal and vote Democrat without the conservative US government stopping him...
the LDS is not a denomination!
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Of course its not...
nobody here said it was...
Mormonism would have to be Christian to be a denomination...
and Mormonism is anything but Christian...
Mormonism is definitely NOT a denomination of Christianity...
The LDS is not a Christian Church...
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