Posted on 05/24/2010 7:40:38 PM PDT by Colofornian
I’m holding in my hand my black hardcover copy of Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie, one of Mormonism’s most influential books, an all-time Mormon bestseller, which went out of print this week.
A book written, I’m sure, with the best of intentions by a revered Mormon leader. And, still, a book that continued to circulate even after other high-ranking Mormon leaders recommended more than one thousand corrections to its content.
A book that called Roman Catholicism the “Church of the Devil.” And a book that elevated to doctrinal status non-doctrinal folklore about the origins of the LDS Church’s ban on conveying priesthood authority to members of African descent, claiming that blacks were the descendents of the accursed Cain.
A book that due to its authoritative presentation and doctrinal fundamentalism gave many Mormons reasons for grief.
Mormon Doctrine (1958 – 2010), RIP.
a) You have absolutely ZERO way of knowing this - this is beyond mind-reading, this is divination
b) Christians are never closet ANYTHING. YOU are projecting. We LOVE to share our belief and truth with you.
c)Is this your whole reason for being here? To clean our clocks? You think you will find the one argument that will just mow us all down?
How very, very pathetic and sad and lonely and misguided. I am very sorry for you sweetheart.
Someone was promised a cuppa Tea in the mormon afterlife...
People will do anything for a cuppa Tea...
You are really something else. But I do love you and I mean that with all my heart. You mean so well, you try so hard....
Amen. And Christians CAN separate our history from our faith, because it is Christ not a denomination that saves.
Mormons can’t do that because their ‘salvation’ is only found in a denomination, not Christ.
THX1138
Name one single thing I have ever taken out of context?
Resty, being a Christian is following Christian doctrine. Period. It’s the most free, safe, unhidden place to be on earth, ever.
I have learned the huge difference between saying “I am Baptist” versus saying “I am a Christian and I worship at a Baptist Church”.
Christian is what I am. Baptist is what I DO.
I might like the music or the size of the church, or they have a convenient night for bible study or it’s just close to my house. Doesn’t matter, we’re supposed to plug in and hang together as Christians. But parking my car in the Baptist parking lot every Sunday and voting on the annual budget doesn’t make me a Christian.
LOL! That made my whole day :-)
Very astute observation.
In the 1960s, Marion G. Romney, one of the three highest Mormons as part of the Mormon "First Presidency," said that the Mormon church was "the way, the truth, and the life" -- substituting the Mormon church for who Christ said He was in John 14:6.
When Christians or a Christian church has gone off-base in history, well, that's who Jesus came to save...sinners...some of whom have returned as prodigals...others not (apostates).
But Lds "prophet" John Taylor said Mormons themselves are the only ones who know how to "save themselves" -- "save their posterity" -- that the Mormon god has called upon Mt. Zion (the Mormon church) to be "saviors" of the dead via baptism by proxy.
So, Christians are the "saved ones"...
...Mormons are the "pretend saviors"...
Therefore, "sin in the camp" among Christians reinforced their need to be saved...
Whereas, "sin in the camp" among Mormons proves they are NOT the "saviors" they pretend to be...
...proves they are not the "way, the truth, and the life"...
...because mortal sin has long been recognized as...
...the way to be kicked out of the garden,
...the deceptive falsehoods Adam & Eve embraced from Satan,
...and the death it brought on the scene...
...relatively immediately...and long-term.
And Christians CAN separate our history from our faith, because it is Christ not a denomination that saves. Mormons can’t do that because their ‘salvation’ is only found in a denomination, not Christ.
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The Church of Jesus Christ is not a denomination!
aaahhhhh hahahah LOL oh my falling on the floor hahahhahahah pain from laughing..............
*** The Church of Jesus Christ is not a denomination!
If you claim it is a sub-catagory of "Christian", it IS a denomination
Now, if you want to throw aside any pretense of being Christianity, then it is just a "religion"
Then it is not Christian and it's claims of "we are Christians too" are patently false. (already a given, but...)
However I do know they worship denominations above all else
Especially 10s 20s and 100s...
(and oh how the LDS use of Jesus name makes me bristle)
(You're right. It's a cult!)
You really believe that Christ saw to it that his church was defunct by 200-300 A.D.?
And let it stay that til 400 A.D.?
Til 500 A.D.?
And He "slept away" through 600 A.D.?
And 700 A.D.?
And 800 A.D.?
And 900 A.D.?
And 1000 A.D.?
And that Christ wasn't concerned about the birthdates, deathdates, etc. that genealogists would NEVER find from these past dates...and so, Christ just let 1100 A.D. also go by with no church?
And 1200 A.D., too?
And 1300 A.D.?
1400 A.D. Still no people of God?
1500 A.D., too?
And 1600 A.D.?
And 1700 A.D.?
And 1800 A.D.?
Your Christ, who promised that the "gates of hell" would NEVER prevail against His Church, somehow just let the weeds grow a mile high all around it world-wide...
...all on the word of a pimply-faced 14 yo boy?
REALLY?
Denomination does not mean Christian!
The question seems to be, When does eternal life begin? Is it a state that one attains only in the far future, or can it be obtained here and now?
I believe both alternatives are consistent with scripture; to suggest otherwise is to pose a false dichotomy.
You have cited John 3:36 and John 5:24 to support the idea that eternal life is something that can be obtained here and now. I agree, and would add John 17:3:
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3)You suggested that to know God is to have a personal relationship with him; I agreed.
But how can we have a personal relationship with the Father and the Son, whom we cannot see? The answer, of course, is that the Holy Spirit makes it possible:
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.Note that the Father sends the Holy Ghost to those who love Jesus Christ and keep His commandments.22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:21-26)
So yes, eternal life, defined as a relationship with God, is available in here and now to those who love and obey God.
However, there is more, as I hope to show in a future post.
Neither does LDS, what’s your point?
Resty, do you know what denomination means?
Daniel Webster Dicitionary 1828
denomination
DENOMINATION, n.
1. The act of naming.
2. A name or appellation; a vocal sound, customarily used to express a thing or a quality, in discourse; as, all man fall under the denomination of sinners; actions fall under the denomination of good or bad.
3. A class, society or collection of individuals, called by the same name; as a denomination of christians.
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