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To: massgopguy

I don’t know that people are trying to prove Jesus wrong by female ordination — I’m not a proponent of female ordination, but Jewish society at the time wouldn’t have been able to handle female rabbis, which was what Jesus’ Apostles were somewhat akin to. Plus, more and more we’re learning that women had a much bigger role in the early non-institutionalized Church than they do now and were slowly pushed aside as institutionalization occurred. We know that at the very least there were female deacons.


13 posted on 05/20/2010 6:19:57 AM PDT by cammie
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To: cammie

A nun once told me that women have a MUCH bigger role than Priests in the Church. That is to raise good Catholic children.

Afterall who ya gonna listen to? A Priest or your Mom?


17 posted on 05/20/2010 6:22:18 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: cammie; massgopguy; netmilsmom
I’m not a proponent of female ordination, but Jewish society at the time wouldn’t have been able to handle female rabbis, which was what Jesus’ Apostles were somewhat akin to.

Yet the times have often favored a female priesthood and never more so than when Christ ordained his first priests, nearly 2,000 years ago. Virtually all the pagan religions of his day had priestesses, and it would have been entirely normal and natural for him to choose women for this task. He had, moreover, a number of excellent potential candidates, from his own Mother, who accompanied him at his first miracle and stood with him as he suffered on the cross, to Mary Magdalene or the women of Bethany. Instead, he chose only men, and he remained immovable on this, continuing right to the end to exhort and train them all, leaving thus a Church which turned out to be safely founded on a rock. From those twelve men a direct line of apostolic succession has given the Catholic Church the bishops and priests it has today.
WOMEN PRIESTS: NO CHANCE

22 posted on 05/20/2010 6:31:20 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: cammie

There’s a heck of a lot of things Jews weren’t comfortable with, such as eating “unclean” meat etc.

This is one reason why I do not buy the “cultural” argument when it comes to female ordination to pastorship.

Christ upsets the apple cart of the Jews throughout Scripture in very fundamental ways. He wasn’t exactly afraid to do so and would have done so if he believed women could be ordained as pastors.

Christ did respect the women in his church very much. He chose women to tell the news of his Resurrection. I used to attend the Reformed Presbyterian Church, a very conservative denomination that is one of the few smaller branches of Presbyterianism that has women deacons. I have come to the conclusion that deaconesses are Biblical.

Now, I am in the Presbyterian Church in America, which doesn’t because honestly I think they are scared of trending toward the mainline PCUSA that is having the fights over gay ministers and already ordain women as pastors. However, the PCA did study it recently and decided to keep things the way they are now with only men deacons. I disagree, but they did a solid Biblical study and tried to look at the issue.

Anyway, the point is....I do think women can be deacons in the sense of Biblical deacons....those that help the sick, comfort and do those sorts of ministry actions. NOT the “deacons” of the Baptist church that really are elders in the Biblical sense.


24 posted on 05/20/2010 6:43:49 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: cammie
We know that at the very least there were female deacons.

The women who were 'deacons' in the early Church didn't perform the same ministerial roles that either Permanent or Transitional Deacons perform nowadays.

These days, women are heavily involved in their Parishes in activities such as religious education, nursing, hospitality, bereavement, etc. These are the same functions those women who served as 'deacons' in early Church performed, and those in which women have been involved throughout the history of the Church.

36 posted on 05/20/2010 8:00:06 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: cammie
There's a lot to the priesthood. More than we know.
40 posted on 05/20/2010 8:58:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christ said, 'I am the Truth'; not 'I am the custom.'"-- St. Toribio, Bishop)
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To: cammie

They weren’t pushed aside at all. Go peddle your feminism elsewhere.

Look at the influence of the abbesses and the nuns throughout history.


55 posted on 05/20/2010 6:41:18 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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