Glenn Beck to Address Baptist Grads, but His Mormonism Sparks Debate

Politics Daily ^ | May 14, 2010 | David Gibson

[Colofornian]

Your are right, that was an ambiguous statement because I was not referring to spiritual salvation. I was referring to political and economic salvation. Sorry.

Are you aware that when Beck addresses "political and economic salvation" in a general sense that it can be "unpacked" as well:

Two comments by LDS general authorities (one by a "prophet" and another by an "apostle" are especially interesting for their religious-political overtones):

John Taylor was with Joseph Smith when he died -- surviving a wound -- and went on to become an LDS "prophet":

“The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto… [so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)

LDS apostle Orson Hyde: “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)

So, don't you all look forward to when this LDS apostle's and "prophets'" extended "prophesies" will come into fruition? Why, supposedly "Mormonism will rule every nation" because they will be our "religious...and political" saviors!

Also, I suggest you do some research on The 'White Horse Prophesy' by LDS so-called "prophet" Joseph Smith: “We shall build the Zion of the Lord in peace until the servants of that Lord shall begin to lay the foundation of a great and high watch Tower and then shall they begin to say within themselves, what need hath my Lord of this tower seeing this is a time of peace &c. Then the Enemy shall come as a thief in the night and scatter the servants abroad. When the seed of these 12 Olive trees are scattered abroad they will wake up the Nations of the whole Earth. Even this Nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the constitution is upon the brink of ruin this people will be the Staff up[on] which the Nation shall lean and they shall bear the constitution away from the very verge of destruction.” (The Historians Corner, BYU Studies, Vol. 19, No. 3, p. 391-392)

[svcw]

Sorry, but I find eternity and important issue.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Unfortunately; I doubt that the mouth will follow...

Nor will your brain.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Westerna

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Now I am starting to YODEL!

How does that differ from most of your other FR offerings? :-)

[Elsie]

Westenra

[RnMomof7]

Yes he is pushing another gospel..what fellowship has light with darkness?

[RnMomof7]

Exactly

[Graybeard58]

He will use it as a bully pulpit and reach more people in an HOUR than the missionaires do all year extolling the TRUTHFULLNESS of Mormonism.

THEN, perhaps, peoples eyes will be opened!

When he gets around to endorsing Mitt Romney, it will open a few eyes too.

[rickomatic]

Yes he is pushing another gospel..what fellowship has light with darkness?

Glen Beck isn't pushing any other Gospel. He may be being decieved by another Gospel, but I haven't heard or seen him bicycling around in his black suit and nametag proseletyzing anyone. Do you turn you back on all lost sinners, and let them go to hell on their merry way? Or are you one of those "Christians" who only associate with other believers? Is your banker a fellow Christian? How about your Dr.? Or your dentist? Howabout your grocer? C'mon, we are to be salt and light to the world. If I remember correctly, it was Jesus himself who also was condemned for hanging out with prostitutes, tax collectors and other sundry sinners. It is in fact the sick who are in need of the physician. And I doubt Glen Beck will be handing out Books of Mormon to the graduates after his speech. I would have a little more faith in what they've been taught at their school in regards to the true Gospel to be swayed by a motivational politcal speaker who happens to not (yet) be born again.

[good1]

Yes, I can. My source is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBbcGIrgOds.

[Graybeard58]

Thanks for the link, I didn’t know that Falwell believed that way.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

But you’ll be getting freepmail soon

Appreciated more than you know.

[MHGinTN]

Taking a lesson from our Founders--whom Glenn is arduously teaching on--we must be about finding the commonality of our love for liberty and freedom, rather than wrangling over the differences in our religious beliefs. There were states which started because of religious differences, but even these states joined in the union.

Once we save our REPUBLIC, then we can sit down and reason together over WHom is the Savior of mankind, and how He represents Himself through mortal men and women.

[CommerceComet]

Jerry Falwell labeled Calvinism as heresy. It is very strange that Liberty University would have certain heretic speak. And, theologically speaking, if Beck is a Mormon, he is a heretic.

Nuances are important when a person uses the terms heresy or heretic. It's an emotionally-ladden term which is often misunderstood.

Any theological error is a heresy and anyone who holds to that position is a heretic. However, it is possible the error does not affect the person's salvation. Most evangelicals would consider Calvinism to be this type of heresy: Christians but with a flawed heresy. Any Presbyterian who holds church office has affirmed Calvinistic positions. I doubt that Falwell believed that Presbyterians weren't Christians.

There is another class of error (sometimes called a damnable heresy) which is so egregious that a Christian cannot hold that position and still be a Christian. Mormonism is of this nature. There might be some Christians in the LDS "Church" but it is despite the teaching of that "church" not because of it.

[MHGinTN]

“... the one you most love. And it can be person animal, place ...” Eck is ick

[CommerceComet]

I just listened to Falwell's statement on limited atonement. I think you are reading way too much into the statement. (See my earlier post on the different types of heresy.)

Personally, I have always considered limited atonement to be more of a philosophical concept than a theological one. While the other four points of Calvinism can be supported by and derived from Scripture, limited atonement not so much. (I've often joked that I'm a 4+ point Calvinist.)

I don't have an issue with the summary on limited atonement from the Canons of Dordt: Christ's atonement is sufficient for all mankind but efficacious for only the elect. Unfortunately, a lot of modern Calvinists add baggage to that idea which I often have trouble with.

[Elsie]

You are under my power...

Worship ME, instead of YOU!

[RnMomof7]

I just listened to his address HE PREACHED and what he preached was a false gospel

[RnMomof7]

Does not matter.. they had a member of a cult preach at their graduation..