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To: Jemian
The fact is, Jemian, that the Catholics and Presbyterians participating in this joint liturgy are not orthodox Catholics and orthodox Presbyterians.

Orthodox Catholics and orthodox Presbyterians both realize that about the only joint "liturgy" they could share would be a common recitation of the Lord's Prayer and the Apostle's Creed.

I would point out that Catholics also believe in the priesthood of all believers.

The distinction is that Catholics believe that there is a common priesthood and a sacrificial priesthood whereas Presbyterians do not believe that there can be a sacrificial priesthood.

In practice, any adult Catholic male - married or unmarried - can, if called to the order of deacon, perform the role that Presbyterian pastors are called to perform: preside at baptisms, solemnize marriages and burials, communicate the people in the Lord's Supper (not consecrate the Eucharist, but Presbyterians do not acknowledge a consecration), proclaim the Scriptures from the pulpit and preach God's Word.

7 posted on 05/15/2010 7:05:01 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

I appreciate your clarification of some distinctions. I would agree with you that the groups involved are not orthodox.

I am looking forward to the gathering of believers where this disagreements will be resolved and true fellowship will be experienced.


9 posted on 05/15/2010 7:15:46 AM PDT by Jemian (Support Bible translation in Papua. www.mmlott.org)
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To: wideawake

>>>>In practice, any adult Catholic male - married or unmarried - can, if called to the order of deacon, perform the role that Presbyterian pastors are called to perform

In the absence of a priest or deacon, any lay Catholic has the right to baptise a dying man, and offer him his last rights. I have heard of many cases in hospitals and in battlefields, where ordinary Catholics received dying people into the Catholic Church.


14 posted on 05/15/2010 7:54:40 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: wideawake
"The liturgy was devised by the Presbyterian denomination's Joint Commission on Doctrine, made up of officials from both churches." And therefore it is verboten that we attend. In fact, I'd preface this attempt to corrupt the liturgy with ESAD. Leave us alone, Presbyterians and we leave you alone.
24 posted on 05/15/2010 10:53:38 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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