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To: Logophile
Which church? Christianity encompasses many different churches and denominations, which often disagree with each other on what constitutes heresy and orthodoxy.

There was only one Christian Church that declared these heresies. At the time, there were no sizeable offshoots, anyway.

Still, I would like to know which branches of Christianity believe that Christ is disembodied. Perhaps someone will enlighten me.

I have checked the Catechism; I may have spoken hastily. The inference seems to be that Christ's body is present at the Mass worldwide, rather than in Heaven, but I have not found definite doctrine.

I am not aware that the LDS Church has ever declared an official doctrine on such things as multiple universes or daily life in the celestial kingdom. In the absence of an official declaration (or direct revelation), we are free to draw our own conclusions.

That is interesting, since there is such a definite distinction between the three kingdoms. Do you have any idea why that would be?

638 posted on 05/18/2010 10:32:51 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
The inference seems to be that Christ's body is present at the Mass worldwide, rather than in Heaven, but I have not found definite doctrine.

I find it difficult to understand. This is why I really want a complete Summa with facing page Latin and English.

The Ascended Christ has a "resurrection" body. Paul uses the phrase "spiritual body" which I think is shorthand for "I have no clue; there is something we must call a 'body' which the resurrected have; but it is different from the "natural" body we currently enjoy and endure; you figure it out."

Other thoughts related to the question: The hypostatic union persists in Heaven. It is a man seated at the right hand of the Father, as well as the Son. Men seem to be essentially corporeal. (For: if not, why go to all the trouble of raising the body if we don't need one to be who/what we are.)

The witness of Genesis 2:7, with which Aquinas has no disagreement, is that the "living being" or "living soul" is what you get when God blows His Spirit into a human body.

With Aquinas's Aristotelian thought, I have tried to suggest that human soul : human body :: burning : fire. I'm not sure this is right, but work with me: If there's no burning all you have is combustible materials, not fire. And if there are no combustible materials, you have no burning.

A dead body is not a human, it's just a human body -- a thing that was human, but not anymore. But without a body, do we have a human?

So between now and the general resurrection (except for Mary and IHS) the "souls"in purgatory, hell, and heaven persist by a special activity of God's. At the general resurrection the delights of heaven and the torments of Hell will be exacerbated by the restoration of the fullness of human being, even though the body then will not be a "natural"(strange word) body.

AND, thebody whose substance is "really" in the sacrament is the risen body of our lord. The "sacrum convivivium" is truly "futurae gloriae nobis pignus" (a pledge to us of future glory.)

I do not say this with any great certainty. But this is where my thinking is now.

643 posted on 05/18/2010 11:08:25 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: MarkBsnr
I have checked the Catechism; I may have spoken hastily. The inference seems to be that Christ's body is present at the Mass worldwide, rather than in Heaven, but I have not found definite doctrine.

So Jesus is not sitting at the right hand of the Father...Interesting...So that means that Mary is sitting in that seat next to the Father...Very interesting picture...

646 posted on 05/18/2010 11:41:03 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: MarkBsnr
I have checked the Catechism; I may have spoken hastily. The inference seems to be that Christ's body is present at the Mass worldwide, rather than in Heaven, but I have not found definite doctrine.

I am no expert in Comparative Religion, but it is my impression that most Christians believe Jesus Christ retained His body. However, searching on the Internet, I have found that not every Christian agrees.

Do you think that one can hold the wrong belief on this question and still be a good Christian? If so, are there other incorrect beliefs that one may hold and still be a good Christian?

Or to put it differently, how much does one's salvation depend on having exactly the right theology?

That is interesting, since there is such a definite distinction between the three kingdoms. Do you have any idea why that would be?

Do I have any idea why God has not revealed more details about the three kingdoms? Two answers come to mind.

First, consider how John concludes his gospel:

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the whole world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen (John 21:25).

We could not possibly read so many the books. Therefore, God does not reveal everything He knows, only that which is most important for us to know now.

Second, consider what Jesus said to Peter, James, and John after the transfiguration:

And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. (Matthew 17:2).
Apparently the time was not right for the apostles to reveal what they knew.
734 posted on 05/18/2010 9:15:38 PM PDT by Logophile
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