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Avoid Intellectual Suicide: Do Not Interpret the Bible Like a Fundamentalist
Vox Nova ^ | May 14,2 010 | Henry Karlson

Posted on 05/14/2010 11:03:45 AM PDT by NYer

Holy Scripture, despite all appearances, will not always be easy to interpret. We can be lulled into thinking our “common sense” and “by the letter” interpretation of a text is what God intends us to get out of it. However, if this is the case, there would be little to no debates about its meaning; there would be little confusion as to its purpose and how it applies to us today. St. Peter would not have needed to tell us that no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted privately, because all interpretations of Scripture would end up the same. We need to understand and heed the warning of St. Mark the Ascetic: “Do not let your heart become conceited about your interpretations of Scripture, lest your intellect fall afoul for the spirit of blasphemy.” [1] Why would he be warning us of this? Because Scripture, in its most external, simplistic level, could easily lead people to a perverted understanding of God and the Christian faith.

For an interpretation of Scripture to be acceptable (which does not mean it is necessarily correct), it must at least conform to the basic dogmatic teachings of the Church. If God is love, this must be manifest from one’s understanding of Scripture. If one’s interpretation of a text would lead to God doing or commanding something which runs against the law of love, the law by which God himself acts, then one has indeed committed blasphemy. If one really believes God commands some intrinsic evil, such as genocide, one has abandoned the God who is love, and has at least committed unintentional blasphemy by something evil about him. One cannot get out of this by saying, “whatever God wills, is now good,” or that “the very nature of right and wrong has changed through time,” because both would contradict not only the fundamental character of love, but also the fact God has provided us a positive means by which we can understand something of him via analogy; we know what love is, we know what the good is, and therefore we know something about God when we see he is love or that he is good. While we must understand our concepts are limited in relation to God, it is not because God is less than our concepts, but more and their foundation. Thus, Pope Benedict wisely says:

In contrast with the so-called intellectualism of Augustine and Thomas, there arose with Duns Scotus a voluntarism which, in its later developments, led to the claim that we can only know God’s voluntas ordinata. Beyond this is the realm of God’s freedom, in virtue of which he could have done the opposite of everything he has actually done. This gives rise to positions which clearly approach those of Ibn Hazm and might even lead to the image of a capricious God, who is not even bound to truth and goodness. God’s transcendence and otherness are so exalted that our reason, our sense of the true and good, are no longer an authentic mirror of God, whose deepest possibilities remain eternally unattainable and hidden behind his actual decisions. As opposed to this, the faith of the Church has always insisted that between God and us, between his eternal Creator Spirit and our created reason there exists a real analogy, in which – as the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 stated – unlikeness remains infinitely greater than likeness, yet not to the point of abolishing analogy and its language. God does not become more divine when we push him away from us in a sheer, impenetrable voluntarism; rather, the truly divine God is the God who has revealed himself as logos and, as logos, has acted and continues to act lovingly on our behalf. Certainly, love, as Saint Paul says, “transcends” knowledge and is thereby capable of perceiving more than thought alone (cf. Eph 3:19); nonetheless it continues to be love of the God who is Logos. Consequently, Christian worship is, again to quote Paul – “λογικη λατρεία”, worship in harmony with the eternal Word and with our reason (cf. Rom 12:1).[2]

Christianity affirms both the transcendence and immanence of God. The second allows us to say something positive and true about God, while the first reminds us that positive assertions are limited, that they are at best analogous pointers to something beyond the statements themselves. Our teachings truly say something about God. They must be used as the guideline by which we read Scripture. Moreover, as the Church makes abundantly clear, Scripture is itself an ecclesial document, to be interpreted in and by the Church. It must be interpreted in such a way that dogmatic teachings about God (such as his unchanging goodness) are in accord with our understanding of Scriptural text. If reason suggests a disconnect between an interpretation and dogma, we must follow dogma and dismiss the interpretation. Richard Gaillardetz explains this well:

The apostolic witness would be preserved both in the canonical Scriptures and in the ongoing paradosis or handing on of the apostolic faith in the Christian community. The unity of Scripture and tradition is grounded then in the one word whose presence in human history comes to its unsurpassable actualization in Jesus Christ. Scripture and tradition must be viewed as interrelated witnesses to that word. Furthermore, neither Scripture nor tradition can be separated from the Church. The unity of Scripture, tradition and the living communion of the Church itself is fundamental.[3]

Revelation, therefore, is centered upon Jesus Christ – and through Christ, the whole of the Holy Trinity:

The principal purpose to which the plan of the old covenant was directed was to prepare for the coming of Christ, the redeemer of all and of the messianic kingdom, to announce this coming by prophecy (see Luke 24:44; John 5:39; 1 Peter 1:10), and to indicate its meaning through various types (see 1 Cor. 10:12). Now the books of the Old Testament, in accordance with the state of mankind before the time of salvation established by Christ, reveal to all men the knowledge of God and of man and the ways in which God, just and merciful, deals with men. These books, though they also contain some things which are incomplete and temporary, nevertheless show us true divine pedagogy.[4]

If the vision of God that one gets out of Scripture is not one which reveals his justice and mercy, the reader of the text has missed something about the text itself. Perhaps the mistake lies in their interpretive scheme, where they assume the text follows the contours of modern historical writings. This is not the case; indeed Christians since the beginning of Church history have understood a very different scheme for the Biblical text: one which presents a kind of history but uses that history to present a deeper, more fundamental understanding of the world. Texts which are seen as impossible, if interpreted as history, nonetheless must be accepted, not because they are historical, but because they reveal something theological. St. Neilos the Ascetic, for example, takes 2 Samuel 4:5-8[5] as being historically absurd. This, he thinks, should be obvious. But if this is the case, does it make the text meaningless? By no means:

It is clear that this story in Scripture should not be taken literally. For how could a king have a woman as door-keeper, when he ought properly to be guarded by a troop of soldiers, and to have round him a large body of attendants? Or how could he be so poor as to use her to winnow the wheat? But improbable details are often included in a story because of the deeper truths they signify. Thus the intellect in each of us resides within like a king, while the reason acts as door-keeper of the senses. When the reason occupies itself with bodily things – and to winnow wheat is something bodily – he enemy without difficulty slips past unnoticed and slays the intellect.[6]

This scheme was in accord with what Origen taught. Indeed, he believed that the writers were inspired to put in statements which were absurd so as to remind us not to take the text so simply, but to look for the deeper, spiritual nourishment we can get from them, even for those texts which also have a real historical basis:

But since, if the usefulness of the legislation, and the sequence and beauty of the history, were universally evident of itself, we should not believe that any other thing could be understood in the Scriptures save what was obvious, the word of God has arranged that certain stumbling-blocks, as it were, and offenses, and impossibili­ties, should be introduced into the midst of the law and the history, in order that we may not, through being drawn away in all directions by the merely attractive na­ture of the language, either altogether fall away from the (true) doctrines, as learn­ing nothing worthy of God, or, by not departing from the letter, come to the knowledge of nothing more divine. And this also we must know, that the principal aim being to announce the spiritual connection in those things that are done, and that ought to be done, where the Word found that things done according to the history could be adapted to these mystical senses, He made use of them, concealing from the multitude the deeper meaning; but where, in the narrative of the develop­ment of super-sensual things, there did not follow the performance of those certain events, which was already indicated by the mystical meaning, the Scripture interwove in the history (the account of) some event that did not take place, sometimes what could not have happened; sometimes what could, but did not. And sometimes a few words are interpolated which are not true in their literal acceptation, and sometimes a larger number.[7]

Scripture, of course, was written by various people. While they were inspired by God to write what they wrote, and God inspired the Church to collect the texts it did, in the form it did, we must also understand that the people behind the texts are not mere puppets being forced by God to write as they did. Thus, when patristic authors, or the Church, asserts God as the author of the text, we must not take this as fundamentalists do, but rather recognize that God works with authors based upon their ability and through their cooperation with his intended purposes: “The fathers look upon the Bible above all as the Book of God, the single work of a single author. This does not mean, however, that they reduce the human authors to nothing more than passive instruments; they are quite capable, also, of according to a particular book its own specific purpose.”[8] Indeed, God can inspires people to reveal something about him without their knowing of it, or knowing the meaning behind their words, as St Edith Stein masterfully explains:

Must the inspired person who is the instrument of a divine revelation be aware of the fact? Must he know that he has been illuminated, must he himself have received a revelation? We may well imagine cases where none of this is true. It is not impossible that someone utter a revelation without realizing it, without having received a revelation from God, without even being aware that he is speaking in God’s name or feeling supported by God’s Spirit in what he says and how he says it. He may think he is only voicing his own insight and in the words of his choosing.

Thus Caiphas says in the Sanhedrin : ‘You know nothing and do not consider that it is better for you that one man die for the people and not the whole people parish.’ And John adds: ‘but his he said not of himself but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the people…’ Hence Caiphas spoke in God’s name and followed divine instructions without either knowing it or wishing to do so. John, however, knows that Caiphas was speaking God’s word and perhaps that he was himself enlightened by God as he wrote this. Does John know the prophetic meaning of Caiphas’ words through a revelation accorded him? Quite possibly. But it may also be that the fulfillment of those words in the death of Jesus and John’s view of the overall work of salvation made him realize their prophetic nature.[9]

Now this is not to say it is the norm, nor common, but, as we see, a person inspired by God does not have to understand the meaning of their words, nor that they are actually saying something that will be collected together as being inspired by God. The intention of God as the inspired author of Scripture does not have to be one with the intended meaning of the human author, and indeed, could be one which runs contrary to what such a human might have thought (as, for example, we find in the case of Jonah).

Thus, it is important to discuss inspiration, but as the Pontifical Biblical Commission warns us, we must not follow the simplistic interpretation found within fundamentalism:

Fundamentalism is right to insist on the divine inspiration of the Bible, the inerrancy of the word of God and other biblical truths included in its five fundamental points. But its way of presenting these truths is rooted in an ideology which is not biblical, whatever the proponents of this approach might say. For it demands an unshakable adherence to rigid doctrinal points of view and imposes, as the only source of teaching for Christian life and salvation, a reading of the Bible which rejects all questioning and any kind of critical research.[10]

And, it is especially when people take the Bible as history where this becomes the problem. “Fundamentalism also places undue stress upon the inerrancy of certain details in the biblical texts, especially in what concerns historical events or supposedly scientific truth.”[11] It creates a false, blasphemous view of God through its simplistic understanding of the text, and demand adherence to that simplistic view, with the explanation that if one denies this scheme, one must reject Scripture itself. There is no basis by which one can understand the deeper, spiritual value of revelation. And it is for this reason it ends up creating an evil-looking God, and promotes the acceptance of intrinsic evils such as racism or genocide as being good if and when God commanded them. “Fundamentalism likewise tends to adopt very narrow points of view. It accepts the literal reality of an ancient, out-of-date cosmology simply because it is found expressed in the Bible; this blocks any dialogue with a broader way of seeing the relationship between culture and faith. Its relying upon a non-critical reading of certain texts of the Bible serves to reinforce political ideas and social attitudes that are marked by prejudices—racism, for example—quite contrary to the Christian Gospel.”[12] While simple, it is this simplicity which leads to a letter that kills, because it requires a denial of reason when engaging the faith, and leading to “intellectual suicide”:

The fundamentalist approach is dangerous, for it is attractive to people who look to the Bible for ready answers to the problems of life. It can deceive these people, offering them interpretations that are pious but illusory, instead of telling them that the Bible does not necessarily contain an immediate answer to each and every problem. Without saying as much in so many words, fundamentalism actually invites people to a kind of intellectual suicide. It injects into life a false certitude, for it unwittingly confuses the divine substance of the biblical message with what are in fact its human limitations.[13]

No wonder St Mark the Ascetic warned us to be careful when we interpreted Scripture. He understood how people would confuse the human side of Scripture with its divine meaning, and how that would end up creating a false, humanly constructed, image of God. A God presented in the image of fallen humanity can only be a monster, the monster which we see proclaimed by fundamentalists the world over.

Footnotes

[1] Mark the Monk, “On the Spiritual Law” in Counsels on the Spiritual Life. Trans. Tim Vivian and Augustine Casiday (Crestwood, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 2009), 93.

[2] Pope Benedict, Regensburg Lecture, Sept 12, 2006.

[3] Richard R. Gaillardetz, Teaching with Authority: A Theology of the Magisterium of the Church (Collegeville, MN: The Liturgical Press, 1997), 84.

[4] Dei Verbum 15 (Vatican Translation).

[5]“ Now the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, Rechab and Baanah, set out, and about the heat of the day they came to the house of Ishbosheth, as he was taking his noonday rest. And behold, the doorkeeper of the house had been cleaning wheat, but she grew drowsy and slept; so Rechab and Baanah his brother slipped in. When they came into the house, as he lay on his bed in his bedchamber, they smote him, and slew him, and beheaded him. They took his head, and went by the way of the Arabah all night, and brought the head of Ishbosheth to David at Hebron. And they said to the king, ‘Here is the head of Ishbosheth, the son of Saul, your enemy, who sought your life; the LORD has avenged my lord the king this day on Saul and on his offspring’” (2 Sam 4:5-8 RSV).

[6] St Neilos the Ascetic, “Ascetic Discourse” in The Philokalia. Volume I. Trans. And ed. By G.E.H. Palmer, Philip Sherrard and Kallistos Ware (London: Faber and Faber, 1983), 210.

[7] Origen, “On First Principles” in ANF(4), 364.

[8] Pontifical Biblical Commission, The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church (March 18, 1994), III-B.2

[9] St Edith Stein, “Ways to know God” in Knowledge and Faith. Trans. Walter Redmond (Washington, DC: ICS Publications, 2000), 103.

[10] Pontifical Biblical Commission, The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church, I-F.

[11] Ibid.

[12] Ibid.

[13] Ibid.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; History; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: apologetics; bible; catholic; fundamentalist; religiousleft; religiousright; scripture; seminary
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To: allmendream
Is your view on if the Earth has “four corners” informed by knowledge of gravity, astronomy, and geography?

Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Do you believe that Isaiah thought the earth had four corners???

Do you consider allowing your interpretation of scripture to be influenced by your knowledge of the natural world as fundamental to the salvational message of scripture such that only those with the knowledge would realize the message of salvation within scripture?

Certainly not...The Apostle Paul had no problem with the salvational message in the scripture and he knew nothing of Einstein until later in his ministry...And knowing why an apple fell to the ground instead of up into the sky, I'm sure, had no bearing on whether these people understood the salvation message...

Do you think you are spiritually dead and that you think so highly of yourself that you automatically know what the Christians of many eras had no earthly idea about?

Odd question...

Isaiah learned from the writing of Job that the earth was round...But yet he used the phrase, 'the four corners of the earth'...I have no problem understanding what Isaiah was talking about...

Lots of people figure the scriptures have to line up with science...I figure science has to, and will line up with scripture...The old, old time 'thinkers' thought the earth sat on a pedestal...In spite of the fact that God told them that the earth hangs in space, supported by nothing...

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

There wasn't a PHD in the bunch...

621 posted on 05/18/2010 7:20:44 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
“Lots of people figure the scriptures have to line up with science...I figure science has to, and will line up with scripture”

And here we come to the crux of why creationism is intellectual suicide. Do you think science and observed reality should give way in order to line up with your interpretation of scripture, or do you think your interpretation of scripture should give way to reality observed through replicable science?

Once you have got it into your head that your interpretation is “God's word” or “God's teaching” and that science is only “man's word” or “man's teaching” then what recourse do you have to change a dogma that is obviously in error, like the Earth not moving and the Sun being in orbit around it?

Our Geocentric Freepers insist that all Bible believing Christians are Geocentrists, and that only by putting ‘man's teachings’ above ‘God's word’ would one insist that the Earth is in orbit around the Sun.

Obviously the majority of the Christian world allowed replicable observational science to influence their notion of the immovability of the Earth, and yet the Bible says “And HE set the foundations of the Earth, so that it should not be moved forever.”

Perhaps the most simplistic explanation of Scripture, understandable by babies, is not always the correct one.

622 posted on 05/18/2010 7:33:18 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Natural Law
Christ did not leave us a book, Christ left us the Word in the form of Tradition that produced the book.

Close, but no Cupie Doll...

Jesus Christ didn' leave us the Word as tradition, Jesus IS the Word...Jesus left us the words...

And yes thankyou, the tradition practiced by the apostles and disciples was turned into the Book...They are one in the same...

623 posted on 05/18/2010 7:33:54 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: betty boop

My response to you was also a general response to the article....so, I did not assume that it was your theory. I was actually unsure as to what you were exactly saying...that’s why I asked the questions...you answered and now it is clearer to me where you stand...

And in your response to me, it seems that we agree on most everything...I do not think that the “murder” issue is one subject to much interpretation either...as a matter of fact the only thing I think subject to interpretation is prophesy and perhaps some of the history...

Prophesy is given in symbolism for a reason...and the Lord knew people would be trying to “figure it out”...and thus coming up with their own interpretations...even if they were wrong. As time goes on and more of the endtime is revealed in our current events, the more correct we can be in our interpretations.

I do not think that sin nor salvation are up for interpretation... it is what it is....

I have enjoyed what you’ve said...and like I said, I agree...

and the Bible says that even Paul went to the synagogue every Sabbath to “reason” with the Jews and the Greeks...nothing wrong w/Christians “reasoning” together... I do not see it as strife at all...if I am ever in error concerning the word of God I want to know...that’s why I enjoy discussing it...I learn so much....


624 posted on 05/18/2010 7:47:29 AM PDT by DrewsMum (Somebody please put the Constitution on his teleprompter....)
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To: allmendream; Iscool
Ic>Lots of people figure the scriptures have to line up with science...I figure science has to, and will line up with scripture

And here we come to the crux of why creationism is intellectual suicide. Do you think science and observed reality should give way in order to line up with your interpretation of scripture, or do you think your interpretation of scripture should give way to reality observed through replicable science?

Have you considered reading
Genesis and the Big Bang:
The Discovery Of Harmony Between Modern Science And The Bible

by Gerald Schroeder
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
625 posted on 05/18/2010 8:04:01 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Why? Isn't he just pridefully trusting in “man's teaching” over “God's teaching” by adjusting his interpretation of scripture in light of the reality of replicable and observable science? LOL!
626 posted on 05/18/2010 8:08:12 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Elsie
I really like that movie, "O Brother, Where art Thou?" and indeed own a DVD of it but I do not recall that particular line. I shall watch it again...


627 posted on 05/18/2010 8:08:33 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Elsie; All; MarkBsnr; Logophile

I’d like to disassociate myself from the gratuitous Mormon mugging. I think it is shameful.

I have the impression that the Mormons are wrong about very important things. They have that same impression about Catholics. I don’t see how mockery will improve this problem.


628 posted on 05/18/2010 8:09:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: Iscool; Natural Law
NL>Christ did not leave us a book, Christ left us the Word in the form of Tradition that produced the book.

Close, but no Cupie Doll...

Jesus Christ didn' leave us the Word as tradition, Jesus IS the Word...Jesus left us the words...

And yes thankyou, the tradition practiced by the apostles and disciples was turned into the Book...They are one in the same...

Sounds like ole "Natural Law" does not believe that Yah'shua is YHvH !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
629 posted on 05/18/2010 8:10:21 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: allmendream
Why? Isn't he just pridefully trusting in “man's teaching” over “God's teaching” by adjusting his interpretation of scripture in light of the reality of replicable and observable science? LOL!

If you were to read his works you would understand
that there is no difference between YHvH's Word and Science.

The confusion is caused by Prideful men who reject YHvH.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
630 posted on 05/18/2010 8:14:16 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: allmendream; UriÂ’el-2012; betty boop; metmom
I am in very strong agreement with Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder's physical cosmology.

In his (and my) view the issue is not an "either Science or Scripture" dichotomy.

631 posted on 05/18/2010 8:20:54 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Exactly my position. There is no conflict between science and Scripture. Where we differ I suppose is on the utility of apologetics and whether it is science or scriptural interpretation that should give way when there is a perceived conflict.
632 posted on 05/18/2010 8:35:49 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"Sounds like ole "Natural Law" does not believe that Yah'shua is YHvH !"

Sounds to me like ole Uri needs new material. That accusation wasn't correct or funny the first few times he threw it out in these forums.

633 posted on 05/18/2010 9:37:59 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
NL>Christ did not leave us a book, Christ left us the Word in the form of Tradition that produced the book.

These are your words.

It seems clear that your "christ" is not
the creator of the universe
but a mere mortal who left
others to make up man made tradition.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
634 posted on 05/18/2010 9:55:19 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; delacoert; DrewsMum; allmendream; metmom
God's justice is perfectly balanced. We each individually build the scales by which we will each individually be weighed.

Yes, this I believe also, dearest sister in Christ. So beautifully put!

In which case a certain humility and self-restraint is called for. Or at least so it seems to me.

Thank you so very much for your splendid essay/post — and especially for the truly apt selections from holy scripture.

635 posted on 05/18/2010 10:02:49 AM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; Natural Law

Wow! I don’t see any connection whatsoever!


636 posted on 05/18/2010 10:06:29 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: betty boop; delacoert; DrewsMum; allmendream; metmom
In which case a certain humility and self-restraint is called for. Or at least so it seems to me.

And to me as well.

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. - 2 Timothy 2:24-26

Thank you so very much for your insights and encouragements, dearest sister in Christ!

637 posted on 05/18/2010 10:13:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Logophile
Which church? Christianity encompasses many different churches and denominations, which often disagree with each other on what constitutes heresy and orthodoxy.

There was only one Christian Church that declared these heresies. At the time, there were no sizeable offshoots, anyway.

Still, I would like to know which branches of Christianity believe that Christ is disembodied. Perhaps someone will enlighten me.

I have checked the Catechism; I may have spoken hastily. The inference seems to be that Christ's body is present at the Mass worldwide, rather than in Heaven, but I have not found definite doctrine.

I am not aware that the LDS Church has ever declared an official doctrine on such things as multiple universes or daily life in the celestial kingdom. In the absence of an official declaration (or direct revelation), we are free to draw our own conclusions.

That is interesting, since there is such a definite distinction between the three kingdoms. Do you have any idea why that would be?

638 posted on 05/18/2010 10:32:51 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie

No, Jesus celebrated the Last Supper ONCE. The Apostles thought that He was celebrating Passover; He was in fact creating a new Sacrament. As often...


639 posted on 05/18/2010 10:37:05 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Elsie
But, I get to post lol pictures...


640 posted on 05/18/2010 10:41:47 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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