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Avoid Intellectual Suicide: Do Not Interpret the Bible Like a Fundamentalist
Vox Nova ^ | May 14,2 010 | Henry Karlson

Posted on 05/14/2010 11:03:45 AM PDT by NYer

Holy Scripture, despite all appearances, will not always be easy to interpret. We can be lulled into thinking our “common sense” and “by the letter” interpretation of a text is what God intends us to get out of it. However, if this is the case, there would be little to no debates about its meaning; there would be little confusion as to its purpose and how it applies to us today. St. Peter would not have needed to tell us that no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted privately, because all interpretations of Scripture would end up the same. We need to understand and heed the warning of St. Mark the Ascetic: “Do not let your heart become conceited about your interpretations of Scripture, lest your intellect fall afoul for the spirit of blasphemy.” [1] Why would he be warning us of this? Because Scripture, in its most external, simplistic level, could easily lead people to a perverted understanding of God and the Christian faith.

For an interpretation of Scripture to be acceptable (which does not mean it is necessarily correct), it must at least conform to the basic dogmatic teachings of the Church. If God is love, this must be manifest from one’s understanding of Scripture. If one’s interpretation of a text would lead to God doing or commanding something which runs against the law of love, the law by which God himself acts, then one has indeed committed blasphemy. If one really believes God commands some intrinsic evil, such as genocide, one has abandoned the God who is love, and has at least committed unintentional blasphemy by something evil about him. One cannot get out of this by saying, “whatever God wills, is now good,” or that “the very nature of right and wrong has changed through time,” because both would contradict not only the fundamental character of love, but also the fact God has provided us a positive means by which we can understand something of him via analogy; we know what love is, we know what the good is, and therefore we know something about God when we see he is love or that he is good. While we must understand our concepts are limited in relation to God, it is not because God is less than our concepts, but more and their foundation. Thus, Pope Benedict wisely says:

In contrast with the so-called intellectualism of Augustine and Thomas, there arose with Duns Scotus a voluntarism which, in its later developments, led to the claim that we can only know God’s voluntas ordinata. Beyond this is the realm of God’s freedom, in virtue of which he could have done the opposite of everything he has actually done. This gives rise to positions which clearly approach those of Ibn Hazm and might even lead to the image of a capricious God, who is not even bound to truth and goodness. God’s transcendence and otherness are so exalted that our reason, our sense of the true and good, are no longer an authentic mirror of God, whose deepest possibilities remain eternally unattainable and hidden behind his actual decisions. As opposed to this, the faith of the Church has always insisted that between God and us, between his eternal Creator Spirit and our created reason there exists a real analogy, in which – as the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 stated – unlikeness remains infinitely greater than likeness, yet not to the point of abolishing analogy and its language. God does not become more divine when we push him away from us in a sheer, impenetrable voluntarism; rather, the truly divine God is the God who has revealed himself as logos and, as logos, has acted and continues to act lovingly on our behalf. Certainly, love, as Saint Paul says, “transcends” knowledge and is thereby capable of perceiving more than thought alone (cf. Eph 3:19); nonetheless it continues to be love of the God who is Logos. Consequently, Christian worship is, again to quote Paul – “λογικη λατρεία”, worship in harmony with the eternal Word and with our reason (cf. Rom 12:1).[2]

Christianity affirms both the transcendence and immanence of God. The second allows us to say something positive and true about God, while the first reminds us that positive assertions are limited, that they are at best analogous pointers to something beyond the statements themselves. Our teachings truly say something about God. They must be used as the guideline by which we read Scripture. Moreover, as the Church makes abundantly clear, Scripture is itself an ecclesial document, to be interpreted in and by the Church. It must be interpreted in such a way that dogmatic teachings about God (such as his unchanging goodness) are in accord with our understanding of Scriptural text. If reason suggests a disconnect between an interpretation and dogma, we must follow dogma and dismiss the interpretation. Richard Gaillardetz explains this well:

The apostolic witness would be preserved both in the canonical Scriptures and in the ongoing paradosis or handing on of the apostolic faith in the Christian community. The unity of Scripture and tradition is grounded then in the one word whose presence in human history comes to its unsurpassable actualization in Jesus Christ. Scripture and tradition must be viewed as interrelated witnesses to that word. Furthermore, neither Scripture nor tradition can be separated from the Church. The unity of Scripture, tradition and the living communion of the Church itself is fundamental.[3]

Revelation, therefore, is centered upon Jesus Christ – and through Christ, the whole of the Holy Trinity:

The principal purpose to which the plan of the old covenant was directed was to prepare for the coming of Christ, the redeemer of all and of the messianic kingdom, to announce this coming by prophecy (see Luke 24:44; John 5:39; 1 Peter 1:10), and to indicate its meaning through various types (see 1 Cor. 10:12). Now the books of the Old Testament, in accordance with the state of mankind before the time of salvation established by Christ, reveal to all men the knowledge of God and of man and the ways in which God, just and merciful, deals with men. These books, though they also contain some things which are incomplete and temporary, nevertheless show us true divine pedagogy.[4]

If the vision of God that one gets out of Scripture is not one which reveals his justice and mercy, the reader of the text has missed something about the text itself. Perhaps the mistake lies in their interpretive scheme, where they assume the text follows the contours of modern historical writings. This is not the case; indeed Christians since the beginning of Church history have understood a very different scheme for the Biblical text: one which presents a kind of history but uses that history to present a deeper, more fundamental understanding of the world. Texts which are seen as impossible, if interpreted as history, nonetheless must be accepted, not because they are historical, but because they reveal something theological. St. Neilos the Ascetic, for example, takes 2 Samuel 4:5-8[5] as being historically absurd. This, he thinks, should be obvious. But if this is the case, does it make the text meaningless? By no means:

It is clear that this story in Scripture should not be taken literally. For how could a king have a woman as door-keeper, when he ought properly to be guarded by a troop of soldiers, and to have round him a large body of attendants? Or how could he be so poor as to use her to winnow the wheat? But improbable details are often included in a story because of the deeper truths they signify. Thus the intellect in each of us resides within like a king, while the reason acts as door-keeper of the senses. When the reason occupies itself with bodily things – and to winnow wheat is something bodily – he enemy without difficulty slips past unnoticed and slays the intellect.[6]

This scheme was in accord with what Origen taught. Indeed, he believed that the writers were inspired to put in statements which were absurd so as to remind us not to take the text so simply, but to look for the deeper, spiritual nourishment we can get from them, even for those texts which also have a real historical basis:

But since, if the usefulness of the legislation, and the sequence and beauty of the history, were universally evident of itself, we should not believe that any other thing could be understood in the Scriptures save what was obvious, the word of God has arranged that certain stumbling-blocks, as it were, and offenses, and impossibili­ties, should be introduced into the midst of the law and the history, in order that we may not, through being drawn away in all directions by the merely attractive na­ture of the language, either altogether fall away from the (true) doctrines, as learn­ing nothing worthy of God, or, by not departing from the letter, come to the knowledge of nothing more divine. And this also we must know, that the principal aim being to announce the spiritual connection in those things that are done, and that ought to be done, where the Word found that things done according to the history could be adapted to these mystical senses, He made use of them, concealing from the multitude the deeper meaning; but where, in the narrative of the develop­ment of super-sensual things, there did not follow the performance of those certain events, which was already indicated by the mystical meaning, the Scripture interwove in the history (the account of) some event that did not take place, sometimes what could not have happened; sometimes what could, but did not. And sometimes a few words are interpolated which are not true in their literal acceptation, and sometimes a larger number.[7]

Scripture, of course, was written by various people. While they were inspired by God to write what they wrote, and God inspired the Church to collect the texts it did, in the form it did, we must also understand that the people behind the texts are not mere puppets being forced by God to write as they did. Thus, when patristic authors, or the Church, asserts God as the author of the text, we must not take this as fundamentalists do, but rather recognize that God works with authors based upon their ability and through their cooperation with his intended purposes: “The fathers look upon the Bible above all as the Book of God, the single work of a single author. This does not mean, however, that they reduce the human authors to nothing more than passive instruments; they are quite capable, also, of according to a particular book its own specific purpose.”[8] Indeed, God can inspires people to reveal something about him without their knowing of it, or knowing the meaning behind their words, as St Edith Stein masterfully explains:

Must the inspired person who is the instrument of a divine revelation be aware of the fact? Must he know that he has been illuminated, must he himself have received a revelation? We may well imagine cases where none of this is true. It is not impossible that someone utter a revelation without realizing it, without having received a revelation from God, without even being aware that he is speaking in God’s name or feeling supported by God’s Spirit in what he says and how he says it. He may think he is only voicing his own insight and in the words of his choosing.

Thus Caiphas says in the Sanhedrin : ‘You know nothing and do not consider that it is better for you that one man die for the people and not the whole people parish.’ And John adds: ‘but his he said not of himself but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the people…’ Hence Caiphas spoke in God’s name and followed divine instructions without either knowing it or wishing to do so. John, however, knows that Caiphas was speaking God’s word and perhaps that he was himself enlightened by God as he wrote this. Does John know the prophetic meaning of Caiphas’ words through a revelation accorded him? Quite possibly. But it may also be that the fulfillment of those words in the death of Jesus and John’s view of the overall work of salvation made him realize their prophetic nature.[9]

Now this is not to say it is the norm, nor common, but, as we see, a person inspired by God does not have to understand the meaning of their words, nor that they are actually saying something that will be collected together as being inspired by God. The intention of God as the inspired author of Scripture does not have to be one with the intended meaning of the human author, and indeed, could be one which runs contrary to what such a human might have thought (as, for example, we find in the case of Jonah).

Thus, it is important to discuss inspiration, but as the Pontifical Biblical Commission warns us, we must not follow the simplistic interpretation found within fundamentalism:

Fundamentalism is right to insist on the divine inspiration of the Bible, the inerrancy of the word of God and other biblical truths included in its five fundamental points. But its way of presenting these truths is rooted in an ideology which is not biblical, whatever the proponents of this approach might say. For it demands an unshakable adherence to rigid doctrinal points of view and imposes, as the only source of teaching for Christian life and salvation, a reading of the Bible which rejects all questioning and any kind of critical research.[10]

And, it is especially when people take the Bible as history where this becomes the problem. “Fundamentalism also places undue stress upon the inerrancy of certain details in the biblical texts, especially in what concerns historical events or supposedly scientific truth.”[11] It creates a false, blasphemous view of God through its simplistic understanding of the text, and demand adherence to that simplistic view, with the explanation that if one denies this scheme, one must reject Scripture itself. There is no basis by which one can understand the deeper, spiritual value of revelation. And it is for this reason it ends up creating an evil-looking God, and promotes the acceptance of intrinsic evils such as racism or genocide as being good if and when God commanded them. “Fundamentalism likewise tends to adopt very narrow points of view. It accepts the literal reality of an ancient, out-of-date cosmology simply because it is found expressed in the Bible; this blocks any dialogue with a broader way of seeing the relationship between culture and faith. Its relying upon a non-critical reading of certain texts of the Bible serves to reinforce political ideas and social attitudes that are marked by prejudices—racism, for example—quite contrary to the Christian Gospel.”[12] While simple, it is this simplicity which leads to a letter that kills, because it requires a denial of reason when engaging the faith, and leading to “intellectual suicide”:

The fundamentalist approach is dangerous, for it is attractive to people who look to the Bible for ready answers to the problems of life. It can deceive these people, offering them interpretations that are pious but illusory, instead of telling them that the Bible does not necessarily contain an immediate answer to each and every problem. Without saying as much in so many words, fundamentalism actually invites people to a kind of intellectual suicide. It injects into life a false certitude, for it unwittingly confuses the divine substance of the biblical message with what are in fact its human limitations.[13]

No wonder St Mark the Ascetic warned us to be careful when we interpreted Scripture. He understood how people would confuse the human side of Scripture with its divine meaning, and how that would end up creating a false, humanly constructed, image of God. A God presented in the image of fallen humanity can only be a monster, the monster which we see proclaimed by fundamentalists the world over.

Footnotes

[1] Mark the Monk, “On the Spiritual Law” in Counsels on the Spiritual Life. Trans. Tim Vivian and Augustine Casiday (Crestwood, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 2009), 93.

[2] Pope Benedict, Regensburg Lecture, Sept 12, 2006.

[3] Richard R. Gaillardetz, Teaching with Authority: A Theology of the Magisterium of the Church (Collegeville, MN: The Liturgical Press, 1997), 84.

[4] Dei Verbum 15 (Vatican Translation).

[5]“ Now the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, Rechab and Baanah, set out, and about the heat of the day they came to the house of Ishbosheth, as he was taking his noonday rest. And behold, the doorkeeper of the house had been cleaning wheat, but she grew drowsy and slept; so Rechab and Baanah his brother slipped in. When they came into the house, as he lay on his bed in his bedchamber, they smote him, and slew him, and beheaded him. They took his head, and went by the way of the Arabah all night, and brought the head of Ishbosheth to David at Hebron. And they said to the king, ‘Here is the head of Ishbosheth, the son of Saul, your enemy, who sought your life; the LORD has avenged my lord the king this day on Saul and on his offspring’” (2 Sam 4:5-8 RSV).

[6] St Neilos the Ascetic, “Ascetic Discourse” in The Philokalia. Volume I. Trans. And ed. By G.E.H. Palmer, Philip Sherrard and Kallistos Ware (London: Faber and Faber, 1983), 210.

[7] Origen, “On First Principles” in ANF(4), 364.

[8] Pontifical Biblical Commission, The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church (March 18, 1994), III-B.2

[9] St Edith Stein, “Ways to know God” in Knowledge and Faith. Trans. Walter Redmond (Washington, DC: ICS Publications, 2000), 103.

[10] Pontifical Biblical Commission, The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church, I-F.

[11] Ibid.

[12] Ibid.

[13] Ibid.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; History; Mainline Protestant; Theology
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To: allmendream; YHAOS; betty boop; metmom; Mad Dawg
You seem to think that your personal interpretation of scripture should take preeminence over evidence and reason, and I submit to you my opinion of such a stance: it is intellectual suicide.

Spiritual discernment is the point, personal views are irrelevant.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Cor 2:14

I will say that if my physical senses and reasoning are telling me to "run" but God is telling me to stay, I will stay. Likewise, when He tells me that Jesus Christ is The Lord, I believe Him.

I walk by faith not by sight. (2 Cor 5)

God's Name is I AM.

781 posted on 05/19/2010 10:34:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for your informative essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!
782 posted on 05/19/2010 10:36:21 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mad Dawg
...the early Christians would have somehow forgotten ...

You don't FORGET: it is EXPLAINED away by the Traditions of men.

783 posted on 05/19/2010 10:38:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr

Closer to the tree, I suppose...


784 posted on 05/19/2010 10:40:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Less deviant than others? :)


785 posted on 05/19/2010 10:58:58 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: allmendream
So why would you ignorantly presume that the quote was in error?

What is “ignorant” about a request for sources? It is a common practice and often offered voluntarily. Explain how a request for a source is an “attack,” or that it is “juvenile.” Are you assuming the attitude that a request for a source is an attack on your exalted position and an insult to your dignity? You confirm my observation that yours is an elitist orientation. In the source you cite, Grabmann notes that “Thomas strictly avoids exaggerations.” You would do well to follow Aquinas’ example.

786 posted on 05/19/2010 11:00:00 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; metmom; Mad Dawg
Quaestiones Disputatae de Potentia in Quaestiones Disputatae. Vol. II. Ed. P. Bazzi et al. (Turin: Marietti, 1965), 6.6. Hereafter cited as De Pot.

Thanks for the citation, however grudgingly given. Just the same, I fail to see how your quotes counter or deny the intellectual and religious position so succinctly given in the Aquinas quote I had provided previously.

Nor does it appear that you have, in any way, responded to the point I make in Post #717 that of themselves, scientific findings cannot inspire Judeo-Christian faith, doing nothing more than providing support for faith. Pope Benedict XVI himself supports my view in remarks he made at Lorenzago Di Cadore, Italy on Wed, July 25, 2007 (ironically provided me by you nearly a year ago), wherein he observed that evolution does not answer all the questions, particularly “Above all it does not answer the great philosophical question, ‘Where does everything come from?’”

Precisely so.

Thanks, Alamo-Girl, for your pings from Posts #736 through #781. A lot to digest there.

787 posted on 05/19/2010 11:12:02 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Mad Dawg
Thanks for the clarification. I don’t disagree.
788 posted on 05/19/2010 11:13:39 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: betty boop; metmom; allmendream; Iscool; Alamo-Girl; delacoert; DrewsMum
Maybe we better define "progressive" first.

I’ve always regarded “Progressives” as simply Liberals who have so fouled their nest that they dare not truly identify themselves (for example, see Sec of State Hilary Clinton), but their talking points give away their game.

Otherwise, permit me to associate myself with your remarks.

789 posted on 05/19/2010 11:17:49 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: allmendream
But really, this thread is not about me and my beliefs; despite the repeated attempts to paint me as an atheist or liberal/progressive.

I'm not trying to "paint you" as anything, allmendream. I just wish I could understand your position. But given its inherent self-contradiction, I can't figure it out at all.

More, later.

790 posted on 05/19/2010 11:27:14 AM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: Elsie
You don't FORGET: it is EXPLAINED away by the Traditions of men.

I am aware of the traditional explanation used by those who oppose Catholic tradition. I find it implausible and not consonant with Scripture.

791 posted on 05/19/2010 11:33:11 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: YHAOS
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
792 posted on 05/19/2010 11:33:50 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: YHAOS
Nice to know that you gain knowledge from my posts.

The Popes fuller quote was...”They (creationism and evolution) are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”“Above all it (evolution) does not answer the great philosophical question, ‘Where does everything come from?’”

Well science is rather indisposed towards answering any philosophical question, however the great Biblical scholar and leader of a billion faithful Catholics says of evolution that it “appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”

This is an intellectually vibrant approach to faith and reason, as Thomas Aquinas would have it, a balance between natural revelation and supernatural revelation.

What is intellectual suicide is to decide that there is no “reality” that could contradict ones interpretation of Scripture. This is the path of creationism and it is a dead end.

Thus we see that while science produces real results and real value; creationism produces nothing of any real value.

It is intellectual suicide.

793 posted on 05/19/2010 12:07:31 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: betty boop
There is nothing self contradictory about allowing reason and evidence to influence ones interpretation of scripture.

The self contradictory nature of your own beliefs is shown in your absolute inability to philosophically distinguish your position from Geocentrics who also claim that what they believe is “God's word” and anything contrary is just “man's teaching”.

Once you have accepted that the simultaneous creation of all living kinds of animals is “God's word” there really is no amount of reasoning or evidence that will ever get you to question it, is there?

Thus your ‘knowledge’ becomes a dead thing, irresponsive to logic reason or evidence. Intellectual suicide.

And your attempts to portray any and all opposition to your interpretation as atheism are quite evident. It is one of the few tactics you possess, thus your frequent utilization of it.

And that you cannot “figure out” a position based upon thousands of years of Christian theology, with its intellectual origins established by Thomas Aquinas and carried out to its logical culmination by today's Pontiff and his acceptance of the theory of evolution; well that says more about you than it does my own position.

794 posted on 05/19/2010 12:15:15 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; YHAOS
So why would you ignorantly presume that the quote was in error? Unable to deal with the thought contained within it you reflexively attack the source? Juvenile.

Everyone in the world is ignorant but those who agree with you. Talk about juvenile......

Don't you ever get tired of being full of yourself?

795 posted on 05/19/2010 12:26:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream; YHAOS
Nice to know that you gain knowledge from my posts.

And condescending to boot.....

796 posted on 05/19/2010 12:28:03 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; allmendream; YHAOS; metmom; Mad Dawg; hosepipe
amd: I do not presume that God had to create the world via supernatural means.

A-G: Creation ex nihilo is supernatural.

RE: your statement above, dearest sister in Christ, ex nihilo creation can only be supernatural. The natural world produces nothing out of "nothing."

RE: amd's statement above — I'm having some difficulty interpreting it. For God Himself is supernatural. Thus so are His creative means. Now allmendream declares himself a Christian. Meaning he presumably believes in a supernatural entity, God. But then.... He seems to suggest that God used natural means to create the universe — but nature did not exist in the beginning. No space, no time, no matter, no physical laws, no mathematics, not even a "false vacuum" — nothing. So how could God create the natural world by natural means that had not yet been brought about?

It makes my head spin.

I'd like to share three excerpts from an excellent book, The Moment of Creation: Big Bang Physics from Before the First Millisecond to the Present Universe, by James S. Trefil, professor of physics at the University of Virginia (1983) that touch on this matter.

Professor Trefil traces the history of the universe back in time, to the creation event itself — sort of like playing a videotape in reverse — distinguishing the key physical events occurring at various stages along the way. He finds that modern science can get almost all the way back to the creation event; i.e., the Big Bang. Almost, because what happened in the first 10–43 of a second — Planck time —after the Big Bang is something our present-day scientific laws and techniques cannot even address: the laws of physics seem to "break down" in that era. And prior to Plank time, there's that "frontier" that cannot be traversed.

The difficulties in penetrating beyond the Planck time are prodigious.... If such attempts are successful, however, the first 10–43 second in the life of the universe would have been an extremely simple and extremely beautiful period. There would be reactions that converted bosons to fermions and vice versa, so that there would be only one kind of particle. The unification of all four forces would leave only one basic kind of interaction. The universe would therefore show the ultimate simplicity: all the particles would be of one type, and they would interact with each other through one kind of force. To a physicist, such a situation is so inherently beautiful and elegant that the idea simply has to be right. Whether nature feels the same way remains to be seen, of course. [p. 156–7]

All scientific laws are based on observation and experiment, and consequently no scientific law is really valid outside of the domain in which it has been tested and verified. It is possible to argue, therefore, that the question about the origin of the universe simply cannot be answered within the scientific method. We can discover laws by making measurements and observations, and it is probably valid to extrapolate these laws, as we have done, to the early universe. But we have no experience whatsoever with a universe that does not contain mass, and it is therefore improper to try to extend our present knowledge to this new area. The question of the origin of the universe, according to this argument, cannot be answered by the methods of science and must therefore be left both unasked and unanswered [i.e., by science].

The argument from general relativity is somewhat more technical. We know that in the framework of that theory the four dimensional space-time in which we live is the result of the presence of mass.... In this way of looking at things, time began when mass was created, and asking about what happened in times previous to that is simply meaningless. As one set of authors suggested, asking what came before the Big Bang is like asking what is north of the North Pole.

Both of these positions are perfectly defensible; indeed, I have often used the first one myself when pressed by my students. Nevertheless, it does seem to be a bit disappointing to have come so far in our study of creation only to be brought up short on the verge of solving the most interesting problem of all. Furthermore, the refusal to examine this, the ultimate question of creation, seems to me to fly in the face of the entire trend of the grand unification scheme. [p. 204–5]

...No matter how deeply we probe into any scientific subject, we will always find something unexplained and undefined. Medieval philosophers took the earth as given and attributed its existence to the special creative work of God. In the nineteenth century, it was realized that the existence of the solar system followed naturally from the law of gravitation and the existence of the galaxy, and in [the twentieth] century we have discovered that the existence of the galaxy is a natural consequence of the Big Bang. In all these cases, the frontiers of knowledge have been pushed back by the discovery of new laws of nature. At each step, however, there was a point at which one could say, "Our scientific knowledge has brought us this far; beyond this point we may, if we wish, postulate a special creation."

It now appears that our new discoveries of the laws that govern the nature of elementary particles may allow us to push the frontiers back to the very creation of the universe itself. This does not, however, alter the fact that there is a frontier. All it does is transfer our attention from the material form of the universe to the laws that govern its behavior. I can hear a twenty-first century philosopher saying, "Very well, we agree that the universe exists because of the laws of physics. But who created those laws?" And even if, as some physicists have suggested, the laws of physics we discover are the only laws that are logically consistent with each other (and therefore the only laws that could exist), our philosopher would ask, "Who made the laws of logic?"

My message, then, to those who feel that science is overstepping its bounds when it probes the early universe is simple: don't worry. No matter how far the boundaries are pushed back, there will always be room both for religious faith and a religious interpretation of the physical world.

For myself, I feel much more comfortable with the concept of a God who is clever enough to devise the laws of physics that make the existence of our marvelous universe inevitable than I do with the old-fashioned God who had to make it all, laboriously, piece by piece. [p. 222–3; emphasis added]

Just a little "grist for the mill." :^)

Dearest sister in Christ, you wrote: "I realize that in common parlance the terms "natural" and "supernatural" are used as if they were mutually exclusive."

I've noticed that, too; and I think "natural" and "supernatural" are NOT mutually exclusive, but actually complementary. After all, a human being is both at once — "natural" in his physical body, "supernatural" because he is ensouled — and more than that, possesses reason....

Well, just some thoughts, FWIW.

Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for your splendid essay/post!

797 posted on 05/19/2010 12:42:42 PM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: betty boop
Does the Popes position on the authority of the Bible and his acceptance of the theory of evolution similarly make your head spin?

If you cannot “figure out” a position based upon thousands of years of Christian theology, with its intellectual origins established by Thomas Aquinas and carried out to its logical culmination by today's Pontiff and his acceptance of the theory of evolution; well that says more about you than it does my own position.

798 posted on 05/19/2010 12:58:17 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; metmom; Mad Dawg; hosepipe
Does the Popes position on the authority of the Bible and his acceptance of the theory of evolution similarly make your head spin?

No, not at all.

In the first place, I see no situation of mutual exclusivity here. Moreover, I wholly agree with him on both points.

His Holiness has indeed "accepted" evolution theory. But he has also made it plain that he does not think that Darwin's theory explains everything that needs explaining. I.e., the current state of biological evolution theory is incomplete.

799 posted on 05/19/2010 1:49:42 PM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: betty boop
All theories are incomplete.

The Pope accepts the theory as it is, as the best physical explanation for the diversity of life and the descent of man. He said it is a “truth which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”.

My position on the authority of the Bible and my acceptance of the theory of evolution is indistinguishable from his, in that I find myself in agreement with every pronouncement of his upon the subject.

Please point out what DIRECTLY I have said, rather than your incorrect inferences about what I said or what you think I might mean; that would put any daylight at all between my position (that ‘makes your head spin’) and the Popes position (that you “wholly agree with”).

Can you? It should be easy if one position you wholly agree with and the other makes your head spin; to outline a clear distinction between the two.

800 posted on 05/19/2010 1:55:22 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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