Skip to comments.Fatima debate: Some say 'third secret' is still secret
Posted on 05/10/2010 4:11:57 PM PDT by NYer
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“The evidence points to only one conclusion: that something has to be missing,”
Do any of these people have real jobs?
Lawyers don’t pay taxes?
The pope is visiting Fatima, so in essence alot of conspiratorial nut job kook stories that wouldnt normally get printed get some print time.
Alot of these stories gain traction off the fact that Sister Lucia was known as a recluse, primarily of her orders discipline. Yet she wrote at least 2 books, commented in the affirmative on JPII’s consecration of Russia and attempted to meet with these 3rd secret detractors to set the record staight. Fr. Gruner was one of these detractors, yet he was a con man and full of theatrics and denials about the meeting. The story of her meeting with him is a story of a grifter trying to keep his deception going. i.e. He shows 2 hours late, meeting rescheduled, next he shows with 20+ of his best friends for what was supposed to be a private meeting, etc, etc. Fr Gruner in the habitually tardy fashion of the Vatican and the Bishops has since been removed from the priesthood and excommunicated.
Sounds like Opus Dei and the Priory of Sion are still duking it out!
How could this possibly affect how I’m to live as a Christian for the remainder of my natural life?
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Ten years after the Vatican divulged one of the church's best-kept secrets -- the third part of the message of Fatima -- a small band of skeptics and critics are still questioning the official explanation. More than 100 of them gathered at a hotel not far from the Vatican
Where in there does it mention lawyers?????
Read it: The first person mentioned, by name, in the story is Christopher A. Ferrara, who is a lawyer in New Jersey. I’m willing to bet that he pays a lot of taxes.
But what the news is about, the CHURCH, does not.........
On an highly emotional spiritual level there has been a great common-ground meeting place between Rome and Mecca in the town of Fatima in Portugal. To quote a Catholic news organization, "Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed." On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin....
....According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam." This television report has helped launch the growing waves of Muslim pilgrims who have been visiting this Christian site in Portugal in recent years.
Catholics, on the other hand, say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to the three shepherd children. She told them to pray, especially encouraging the prayer of the Rosary. Lucía, the only surviving recipient of the vision, was entrusted with three "secrets," of which the third has never been made public. She recently assured that the third secret was never intended for general proclamation. Pope John Paul II has had a strong devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, especially since the failed assassination attempt of Ali Agca, which occurred precisely on May 13, 1991, the anniversary of the first vision at Fatima (May 13, 1917).
-- From the thread The Papacy and Islam
This brings us to our second point: namely, why the Blessed Mother, in the 20th century should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as "Our Lady of Fatima." Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as "Our Lady of Fatima" as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.On the Third Secret, "Fourth Secret(s)", and other visions of Fatima:
Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.
-- Archbishop Fulton Sheen, in the book The World's First Love
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Oh brother! Now we are going to see Tom Hanks do a movie called the “The Great Fatima Conspiracy.”
I’m in your camp on this one.
Please provide a verifiable link for this assertion (and not a threatened or ipso facto "excommunication").
I am not a graphics expert, but I have seen a handwriting specialist's analysis that the Vatican's 2000 "Third Secret" was not written in Sister Lucia's handwriting.
I should qualify that as the Sister Lucia who was one of the three shepherd visionaries -- since there are several reports that the Vatican also created a doppleganger of Sister Lucia to pose for photos with Pope John Paul II and to "verify" the Vatican's "Third Secret."
According to Iranian TV, the Jews plan the genocide of humanity.
(You’re a) fraud.
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