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To: gop4lyf

A bigger problem would be of 6+ billion individuals descending out of one mating pair, primarily through incest, initially.

Such a model would develop so many genetic abnormalities in less than a dozen generations, humans would have been extinct a long time ago.

Then we have the problem of humanoids / Neanderthals, etc.


4 posted on 05/09/2010 8:24:51 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
A bigger problem would be of 6+ billion individuals descending out of one mating pair, primarily through incest, initially.

With bottlenecks and isolation, evolution requires a high degree of inbreeding. Studies of mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomes show that a lot of us humans are related to one another.

8 posted on 05/09/2010 8:34:04 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: James C. Bennett
A bigger problem would be of 6+ billion individuals descending out of one mating pair, primarily through incest, initially. Such a model would develop so many genetic abnormalities in less than a dozen generations, humans would have been extinct a long time ago.

You make an interestting point. My take:

Evolution requires a small, isolated population for genetic drift. Creation begins with single pairs. Both cannot be wrong even though both conflict with the observed results of inbreeding. However creation was perfect at the beginning and only with sin imperfections accumulate. Evolution has no such out.
14 posted on 05/09/2010 8:44:39 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: James C. Bennett

>A bigger problem would be of 6+ billion individuals descending out of one mating pair, primarily through incest, initially.

I’m not sure about that; consider that Adam and Eve were meant to be immortal {death was NOT part of their design and came into being from original sin}: this indicates that, biologically-speaking, they were FAR superior to any human living today as they had NO genetic defects at all.

>Such a model would develop so many genetic abnormalities in less than a dozen generations, humans would have been extinct a long time ago.

Consider that DNA is self-correcting to an AMAZING degree; even a genetically poor parent can have a healthy offspring [though there ARE recessive genes to consider].

It makes sense that the self-repair mechanism would have to be damaged or impaired before significant ‘inbreeding abnormalities’ presented themselves.

You can start a stable breeding population of bovine livestock from a surprisingly small number with animal husbandry techniques. (Which, I believe, was why seven pairs of clean animals were taken on the Ark.)

>Then we have the problem of humanoids / Neanderthals, etc.

I’m not sure that _IS_ a problem; the human race is surprisingly diverse in appearance/features and we have seen [in recorded history] instances of environmental impacts on the physical bodies of people [malnutrition, for instance]as well as physical oddities caused by defect/disease: the Elephant Man, for example.


24 posted on 05/09/2010 9:06:46 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: James C. Bennett
"I"A bigger problem would be of 6+ billion individuals descending out of one mating pair, primarily through incest, initially.

Wouldn't that also be the problem if evolution happened. Or is it now part of the theory that multiple organisms mutated over time into the same animal. So not only did Mankind come from random selection, but the same selection had to happen to multiple species at the exact same time, or the first pair would have been the "adam and eve" and had the same problem.

47 posted on 05/09/2010 8:38:36 PM PDT by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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A bigger problem would be of 6+ billion individuals descending out of one mating pair, primarily through incest, initially.

How is this a problem unique to Creationism? There's going to be an original breeding pair regardless.

57 posted on 05/10/2010 10:18:24 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: James C. Bennett

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve


69 posted on 05/10/2010 12:27:00 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: James C. Bennett

“Then we have the problem of humanoids / Neanderthals, etc.”

A previous creation. Destroyed by the first flood (maybe eons before Noah’s flood.


161 posted on 05/13/2010 7:59:47 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: James C. Bennett
A bigger problem would be of 6+ billion individuals descending out of one mating pair, primarily through incest, initially.

Adam and Eve were perfect and their DNA, both dominant and recessive, didn't have mutations. As each generation was born, more and more mutations occurred but these were mostly recessive so the life spans of the preflood people were extremely long.

After the flood, there was a bottle neck and the recessive genes came to the surface causing the life spans of people to dramatically decline. Nowadays our DNA is so degraded that the human race couldn't survive that type of bottle neck. We are slowly going extinct and there in nothing that can be done about it.

173 posted on 05/15/2010 11:32:07 PM PDT by Tramonto
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