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1 posted on 05/08/2010 8:33:36 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
1"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber."

John 10:1 NIV

2 posted on 05/08/2010 8:41:15 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: GonzoII
Perhaps instead of inditing the US for protecting our borders the Bishops should go after Mexico for making working conditions so deplorable down there.
3 posted on 05/08/2010 8:43:11 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: GonzoII

As a Catholic I say this bishop and the rest of them can go to Hell. Never is there ever any mention of the dignity of the American citizen/taxpayer who is paying the cost of this illegality. Never is there any mention THAT MEXICO IS IN THE SHAPE IT”S IN BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE!!! I’m sick and tired of this bs about “Americas immigration system is ‘’broken’’. Like Hell it is! It works, WHEN IT”S ENFORCED!! This is not America’s problem, it’s Mexico’s. They’re Catholics, where are it’ leaders to demand ‘’dignity’’ for Mexicans IN MEXICO?


4 posted on 05/08/2010 8:44:05 AM PDT by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: GonzoII
The Catholic Church is trying to deconstruct the American nation, founded on Protestant principles, back to the oppression and misery of the Latin American countries that have been the shame of the Americas for 500 years.

Who knew.

Guess these guys never give up, that good ol' Latin relentlessness in the pursuit of power.

5 posted on 05/08/2010 8:45:04 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property.....)
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To: GonzoII

Question: What kind of immigration reform do the bishops want exactly? Amnesty? Open borders?

Answer: Neither. The U.S. bishops’ prescription for mending our broken system is to bring the 11 million undocumented out of the shadows, register them with the government, require them to pay a fine and any taxes owed, and require them to learn English and work as they wait in the back of the line for a chance for citizenship. This is not “amnesty,” which is generally defined as granting a benefit without anything in return.

I could live with that, but I would like to see the Bishops to do the following:

1) As Bishop Slattery did a few days ago: they should demand complete security on the border. No one gets in without permission. Period.

2) A clear admission that illegal means illegal. I would like the bishops to admit that, at least in normal circumstances, that it is morally wrong to violate laws established for the common good.

3) The bishops should denounce welfare fraud, drug trafficing and all the other crimes commonly associated with illegal aliens and explicitly acknowledge that they are crimes ASSOCIATED with illegal immigration.

4) The bishops should also demand reforms in Mexico. Period. The Bishops should denounce the anti-clerical, leftist establishment in Mexico that has erected an oligarchy that conspires to maintain a strangle hold on resources, capital and advancement in Mexico.

5) The bishops should insist all immigrants learn English and assimilate to American culture in general.

6) The bishops should actively work to prevent Catholic immigrants from being co-opted into the pro-abort Democratic Party because it and its policies work against Christianity and specifically promote the murder of children.


6 posted on 05/08/2010 8:48:58 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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10 posted on 05/08/2010 9:13:00 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: GonzoII
In the case of immigration, the U.S. bishops believe that the broken U.S. immigration system contributes to the exploitation of migrant workers in the workplace; their abuse by ruthless smugglers; and their deaths in the desert as they seek to find work to support their families. They come illegally because there are insufficient visas under the current system to come legally. Our system contains only 5,000 permanent visas for unskilled laborers to come to the United States, but the demand for their work is much higher, since as many as 300,000 undocumented people each year are absorbed into the U.S. workforce.

With the official unemployment rate at almost 10% and unofficial ( and likely more accurate) estimates even higher, the very last thing the US needs is more imported workers, skilled or not. The bishop cannot be unaware of this. But as usual, he blames America for the unlawful actions of others. If foreigners break our laws, it is because our laws are unjust. You see, America is always to blame. by this reasoning, if I steal my neighbors car, it's his fault for not giving me money to buy one of my own. 

12 posted on 05/08/2010 9:22:19 AM PDT by harmodius
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To: GonzoII
This guy sounds like John McCain did 3 years ago, "it's not amnesty, it's not amnesty, it's not amnesty."

It does not matter what they call it, it will be called amnesty in Mexico. The old, we got to get there for the next amnesty game will start all over.

15 posted on 05/08/2010 10:38:37 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: GonzoII
while undocumented immigrants never qualify for such benefits

Illegal immigrants use fake and/or stolen iDs to obtain social services. Also, when they are cited for a traffic violation or arrested for a crime and released, they don't pay or show up in court. They just get another fake ID.

If a citizen commits identity fraud or identity theft, he goes to prison. If an illegal alien does that, he gets amnesty.

Once again the American bishops display misplaced compassion for outlaws at the expense of their victims.


most studies show that, although at an early age immigrants consume more than they contribute, over a lifetime they are net contributors to our economy through the taxes they pay, the goods they produce and consume, and their labor.

Studies, yeah. Do those studies take into account the cost to our schools, our courts, our law enforcement, our medical system, our auto insurance, our prisons, or the human cost from drunk drivers, criminal assaults, rape, child rape, auto theft, burglaries, etc.? And will those stop when the criminals are amnestized?

16 posted on 05/08/2010 10:40:43 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: GonzoII

The US Bishops are not addressing the problem head on.

It’s a SIN to steal. Crossing the border to embezzle/steal welfare, food stamps, medicaid, jobs, IS A SIN.

The PROBLEM is Mexico and in particular Calderone.

The US Bishops should all take a trip to Mexico and visit the towns along the border, then go to Mexico City and address the Mexican Government on THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO THEIR CITIZENS.

We are THE UNITED STATES of America, we are NOT just one Country IN the “American Continent[s].

John 10:10a The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.

And that’s the truth on our Southern Border.


18 posted on 05/08/2010 11:08:14 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
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To: GonzoII

Good article but the current situation has caused such chaos I think the only way to sort this out is by enforcing current law including deportations and only ushering reforms after we have secured our borders, deported the illegals, and made sure the violent criminals have been jailed or handed over to Mexico for justice.

Then let those who have legitimate reason to immigrate do so legally and if they don’t want to wait for reforms they can stay where they are.

And I agree wholeheartedly that pressure needs to be put on Mexico since they avoid having to deal with many issues by figuring those who are not in a position to better their lives in Mexico will just cross the border.


19 posted on 05/08/2010 5:22:53 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: GonzoII; Salvation; colorcountry
Thanks for the post.

Some friends of mine who are serious Catholics say it's the Free Masons within the Church that want these illegals enrolled as pro-abortion voters.

Thus will forfeit their souls in exchange for the free .gov cheese.

Every Mason I know is totally anti-abortion and pro life ... to the Max!

So what's going on?

33 posted on 05/09/2010 11:16:56 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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