Prohibition on Homosexuality Was Not Repealed By Christ

Gate ^ | 5/2/10 | Chuck Wolk

[FredJake]

Today there are many false Christian teachers who are are leading many poor souls straight to hell by claiming that Jesus never spoke against the union of two men or two women, so homosexuality is now condoned by God.  Let me say right from the start, except for the ceremonials ones (which Jesus repealed), all of the Mosaic laws are still in force. That is because there were three categories of laws given to Israel: civil, ceremonial, and moral. The civil laws were ONLY given to the Israel. The ceremonial laws were filled and abolished in Christ. The moral laws, such as the Ten Commandments and other Mosaic moral laws are universal. They are part of Natural and Divine Law. Homosexuality is clearly contrary to moral and natural laws. All forms of homosexuality are condemned, past, present, and future.
 
What Jesus did was fulfill the laws handed down by God. Matthew 5:17 If you look at the teachings of Jesus, you will see that he reiterated all the OT laws. What He did do away with however, was the ceremonials laws that were needed to gain forgiveness and be pure before God, but now we look to Christ for our salvation instead of through the works that God required the Israelites to do. So I can say without hesitation that Jesus also did not repeal the prohibition against homosexuality.  
There will be many who will now automatically accuse me of claiming that those who commit adultery and other such immoral crimes should be stoned as the law of Moses commanded. However, what they fail to understand is that even under the Mosaic law, the death penalty was not the only requirement for the penalty of breaking the laws of murder, adultery, and other such crimes.
 
In 2 Samuel chapters 11 and 12, we learn about King David's sin of adultery with Bathsheba, and we also learn about him having Bathsheba's husband Uriah killed because he refused to sleep with his wife. However, what they fail to understand is that, under Mosaic law, the penalty for murder, adultery, and other such crimes was not merely death, but death by stoning.  So, both David and Bathsheba should have been stoned to death, but they were not. We can say that because David was the King is the reason he was not stoned, but we would be wrong. Fact is, God forgave David because of his broken and contrite heart. David wrote about this in Psalm 51, where it says;

"For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it; You do not delight in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart These, O God, You will not despise."Psalm 51:16-17

Think about that, David was admitting that a sacrifice would not do, nor would any burnt offering be enough to hold back God's anger at him for his sin. What we can learn from this is that David knew he needed a change of heart to be forgiven. He understood that if God wanted him dead him and Bathsheba both would be dead, but in his heart he was truly remorseful and God, who can discern the heart knew it. So God forgave him of his sin.

Now let us jump forward to the day the Pharisees brought forward the woman caught in adultery, Jesus was supposedly caught in a dilemma. He could either agree to have the woman stoned and then suffer the consequences of those who were following Him to turn away from Him because they know that they too are guilty of similar sins that require as harsh or harsher a punishment. Or He could let her go and thus be in violation of the Mosaic law and thus prove He was not whom He claimed to be.

Well from the story of David, we know that God Jesus looks at the heart and not the actions and Christ is God, so what He did was use the Mosaic law to forgive her. So, knowing the heart of.........

[FredJake]

I keep hearing about different denominations changing their views on the gay lifestyle. Then I read this and it really hit home about the truth.

In the 80’s one of the best men to ever cross my life and several of us kids, was a gay man.

I never used to have a problem with those who prefer to be ‘gay’. But recently it seems that they want to cram their lifestyle onto our children and into our churches.

Now I am getting real fed up with them.

They want to be gay? Well then be gay and shut up.

[TSgt]

Great post!

I have gay family and friends. What they do in their bedroom is their business.

That said, I’m surprised at the number of gays that regularly attend church. Most of these are watered down feel good non-denominational coffee, jeans and Jesus churches.

Take the Bible and religion out of the discussion and homosexuality is still not normal. Natural human reproduction requires a man and a woman.

[Leoni]

From Martin Luther:

“Since the downfall of Popery, and the cessation of excommunication and spiritual penalties, the people have learned to despise the word of God. They no longer care for churches, they have ceased to fear and honor God. After throwing out the yoke of the Pope, everyone wishes to live as he pleases.”

“If the world lasts, it will be necessary, on account of the differing interpretations of Scripture which now exist, that to preserve the unity of faith, we should receive the Catholic councils and decrees and fly to them for refuge.”

[FredJake]

“If the world lasts, it will be necessary, on account of the differing interpretations of Scripture which now exist, that to preserve the unity of faith, we should receive the Catholic councils and decrees and fly to them for refuge.”

You go ahead and fly to a man. I'll lead my friends and relatives to Christ. He lifted the veil so that I need no man to be link to God.

The Catholic church became the gentile version of the Jewish religion with the Pope being the High Priest. Christ is the High Priest as Paul stated, not the Pope.

[vicar7]

Fornication front or back door is fornication and not a good idea even society teaches that as does the Bible as it calls it sin and in no way condones it. One is free to engage in the activity but should not expect others to approve of it or condone it as well. Choices always have consequences and folks just hate the consequences I guess.

[Ramonne]

What the Bible speaks to me is that Jesus fulfilled all the law and prophets. As for the 10 commandments they are all lifted to a much higher level in the New Testament but for one.Example..Love your neighbor as yourself... The one about the sabboth day is not in the New Testament. It is now the first day of the week.
God never changes and neither does His holiness.
I enjoyed your post very much. I still believe that God is Holy and Just. The two don’t seperate. It is still His way, no matter what we think we get away with.

[PhilCollins]

My dad, a retired Lutheran pastor, sent me this email:

“EVERY TIME HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOUR IS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, IT IS CONDEMNED! That is a very strong statement and one with meaning!

The Holy Bible always treats heterosexuality as normative:
See I Cor. 7; Eph 5 and I Peter 3.

Old Testament references to read:

Genesis 19:4-5 Their sin is homosexuality
Leviticus 19:22
Leviticus 20:13

New Testament references to read:

Romans 1:18-19
1:21
1:24
1:26-27
I Cor. 6:9-11 A very significant reference.
I Cor. 6:16-20 and
I Tim 1:9-11

I began - and now I will close - with the very powerful reminder
that EVERY TIME HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOUR IS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, IT IS
CONDEMNED!”

[aimhigh]

except for the ceremonials ones (which Jesus repealed), Jesus said NO part of the law would pass away until ALL was fullfilled. The scriptures don't slice and dice the law, so how can you? Either Jesus fulfilled all, or the entire law still stands.

[Korah]

Jesus clearly recognized marriage between a man and a woman as being divinely instituted, and he reaffirms the marriage of Adam and Eve as the model for marriage.

There are three categories of laws given to Israel: civil, ceremonial, and moral.
(1.) The civil laws were ONLY given to the Israel.

(2.) The ceremonial laws were filled and abolished in Christ.

(3.) The moral laws, such as the Ten Commandments, are universal. They are part of Natural and Divine Law. Homosexuality is clearly contrary to moral and natural laws.

All forms of homosexuality are condemned, past, present, and future. Instead of allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, liberal denominations interpret Scripture through a liberal ideology. The liberal and secular cultures determine how Scripture is interpreted and used.

[Leoni]

re: You go ahead and fly to a man (the pope). I'll lead my friends and relatives to Christ.

By your reasoning, they shouldn't follow you, for YOU ARE A MAN! Leaves you alone in your one man religion.

[Leoni]

re: You go ahead and fly to a man. I'll lead my friends and relatives to Christ

“There will be the greatest confusion. Nobody will allow himself to be led by another man’s doctrine or authority. Everyone will be his own rabbi: hence, the greatest scandals.” (Martin Luther)

“There are as many sects now and beliefs as there are heads. This fellow has nothing to do with baptism. Another one denies the sacraments. A third believes there is another world between this one and the last day. Some teach that Christ is not God. Some say this, some say that. There is no rustic so rude that if he dreams or fancies anything believes it must be the whisper of the Holy Spirit and that he himself must be a prophet.” (Martin Luther)

[Leoni]

Protestansm with it’s sliding scale of doctrines (by self interpretation of scripture)is an inclined plane to the abyss of total unbelief.

These pro-homosexual bible only “Christians” are just ahead of others on the road to total unbelief. There is nothing that the “bible only system” can contain, everything is always chganging.

[Korah]

You wish to follow a man named the POPE to get you close to God, I follow only Christ.

If you wish to push your Pope, then go elsewhere, because I will not bite.

The Catholic religion is a cult anymore, and it became a cult when it started worshiping everybody and praying to them.

So our discussion is over, go away fly, shew, shew.........

[Leoni]

re: I follow only Christ

The pro-homosexual marriage, bible only "Christians", and the other bible only sects with homosexual minsiters leading them, all say the same, we follow Christ. You can do nothing but put up with it, it's part of your system. They have the right to pick and choose what they like and don't like in scripture, and interpret it to their own wants, just like you do.

[BenKenobi]

Gee, who’s still standing?

Artificial birth control.
No-Fault divorce.
Abortion
Gay Marriage.
Male-only priesthood.

I only know one church that is on the right side of all five. Why is this?

[aimhigh]

All forms of homosexuality are condemned, past, present, and future. Instead of allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, liberal denominations interpret Scripture through a liberal ideology. The liberal and secular cultures determine how Scripture is interpreted and used.

I agree that homosexuality is condemned, and it's condemned in the New Testament. That doesn't prove the OT law minus the ceremonial laws is void. New Testament commandments establish our moral law, not OT laws, which have passed away.

[Vegasrugrat]

Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) stands on the right side of all 5 also.

But we believe the only way to the Father is through the Son, there are no vicars or intermediaries between us and Christ. He is our direct link, he is the ONLY link.

Ultimately ALL humans, including the Pope and Mary are unworthy sinners.

Choose to follow the only human who led a perfect life...Christ. His Grace & Salvation are given to us as a gift of his love, not by any works, deeds or thoughts of our own, pure Grace that only God can give.

God Bless

[BenKenobi]

They reject birth control and have only celibate priests?

[OneVike]

This is for BenKenobi, and any other Catholic claiming superiority over those of us who hold to a Protestant belief

You commented to Korah;

Gee, who’s still standing?
Artificial birth control.
No-Fault divorce.
Abortion
Gay Marriage.
Male-only priesthood.
I only know one church that is on the right side of all five. Why is this?

I for one would disagree with you. Have you forgotten the many Catholic priests who have made a mockery of morality by molesting little boys? By some estimates the church itself has admitted that up to 40% of all Catholic Priests are practicing homosexuals. Many well placed Priests in the Catholic church believe that if they actually expelled the priests who are actively engaged in homosexuality, that the number of available priests would be drastically reduced. So much so that many Dioceses would have to shut down because there would not be enough priests to shepherd all the churches in America.

Now let's talk about the many many Popes throughout history that may not have been married, but they fathered children. Several popes are known to have even engaged in nepotism by elevating sons, nephews and other relatives to the rank of Cardinal. Probably the most notable would be Pope Alexander VI who fathered 4 children by a long time mistress, 3 were boys and one was a girl. So do not try and pass off the Catholic church as some sort of moralistic example of purity.

I could bring down 1500 years of despotism and heresy that the church practiced which makes the shortcomings of Protestantism seem like child's play in comparison. There is a good reason God allowed the reformation to happen, and the biggest reason is the many heretical practices of the very crooked Catholic church.

I was not molested myself, but I have a dear friend who was molested by a Catholic priest. A priest who was moved around so many times that he has infected children all over this country with his vile desires for little boys. I do not make it a practice to attack the Catholic religion. But I really get tired of reading comments on FR from the likes of you who claim that the Catholic religion is the only one that is pure as the wind driven snow of Alaska.

Men are evil from the day we are born. Just like Eli's sons and even Samuel's sons, children of good men sometimes can be evil. So too, the Catholic church has had many bad characters in its past. However, when you attack other Christian religions as if they are worse than the Catholic Church you set yourself up for a battle you will not win.

So I humbly ask that you refrain from attacking other Christians now. However, if you continue to attack the faith of my friends then I will come to their defense with such an attack that you will not know what hit you. I grew up in a very Catholic environment, and did all the catechism classes and everything that was required of me. I warn you sir that I am not one you would wish to spar with, because I am way too prepared to take you on. So discuss the merits of the article if you will, but do not attack the faith of another Christian unless you are prepared to defend the many, many faults of the heretical Catholic faith.

That being said, I do not believe that fighting between denominations is a good thing for the Universal Church of Christian believers. I do believe in good healthy debate, but when the knives come out, beware of what you defend.

Sorry Korah, but I had to jump in on this little skirmish. I really detest the attacks on Christians by other Christians who live in glass houses.

[LowOiL]

Thanks for the article.