Pope Benedict to deliver 'intense' message during Fatima visit

When I was a child there was supposedly a three-part message delivered at one of the Marian shrines. I should remember which one but I don’t. One part of the message was that a person born in 1960 would bring peace to the Middle East. That person would be 50 now. Does anyone else remember this prophetic message?

When I was a child there was supposedly a three-part message delivered at one of the Marian shrines

It was Fatima

You can take a look at all three parts here.

Can't wait to hear this one.

Wonder if this "message" will be as "intense" as Ratzinger's "global authority" message.

Since the death of Pius XII, the hierarchy in the Vatican have not been reliable sources for information on the messages of Fatima. John XXIII did not reveal the 3rd secret in 1960 as was requested of him by the Blessed Mother, and every since then it’s more of the same from the Vatican.

For anyone that wants to know about Fatima, should read the 3 volume set by Frere Michel De La Sainte Trinite:

The Whole Truth About Fatima: Volume I Science and the Facts

The Whole Truth about Fatima, Volume II: The Secret and the Church

The Whole Truth about Fatima: Volume III: The Third Secret

Top Ten Scientific Explantions of Miracle of Sun at Fatima (Catholic Caucus)

Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part II
Fatima and Akita
Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part I
The Story of Fatima -- Part 2
The Story of Faitma -- Part 1
Our Lady of Fatima, May 13
Litany of Our Lady of Fatima
Last Fatima child buried in final resting place (Sr. Maria's remains transferred to Fatima)
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97
SISTER LUCIA RIP

LAST OF CHILDREN WHO CLAIMED TO SEE VIRGIN MARY DIES AT 97
Last child who claimed to see "Virgin Mary" dies
Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)
Mourning for Fatima seer (Portugal declares day of mourning)
Third Secret of Fatima is not fully revealed.
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97
Sr. Lucia, Fatima, and Islam
Mystery Fatima: Death of Lucia Accents Famed Secrets & Area's Hidden History
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)
Papal praise at Sister Lucia's funeral

Our Lady of Fatima, ‘counterrevolutionary’ and ‘ecumenical’
Fatima Statue Due at Vatican to Mark a Fateful Day 25 Years After Attempt on John Paul II's Life
Sister Lucia's Unpublished Writings Released - Visionary Reflects on Marian Apparitions
Sister Lucia's Last Moments
Fatima: Case Closed
Rosary Rallies Planned for Fatima Anniversary [Catholic Caucus]
Giant new church at Fatima shrine
Sister Lucia's Beatification Process to Begin ( Pope Waves 5-Year Waiting Period)
The faithful remember miracle of Fatima, Thousands gather in Washington Twp. on 90th anniversary
Pius XII Saw "Miracle of the Sun" [Catholic Caucus]

On an highly emotional spiritual level there has been a great common-ground meeting place between Rome and Mecca in the town of Fatima in Portugal. To quote a Catholic news organization, "Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed." On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin....
....According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam." This television report has helped launch the growing waves of Muslim pilgrims who have been visiting this Christian site in Portugal in recent years.
Catholics, on the other hand, say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to the three shepherd children. She told them to pray, especially encouraging the prayer of the Rosary. Lucía, the only surviving recipient of the vision, was entrusted with three "secrets," of which the third has never been made public. She recently assured that the third secret was never intended for general proclamation. Pope John Paul II has had a strong devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, especially since the failed assassination attempt of Ali Agca, which occurred precisely on May 13, 1991, the anniversary of the first vision at Fatima (May 13, 1917).
-- From the thread The Papacy and Islam

This brings us to our second point: namely, why the Blessed Mother, in the 20th century should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as "Our Lady of Fatima." Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as "Our Lady of Fatima" as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.
Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.
-- Archbishop Fulton Sheen, in the book The World's First Love

On the Lady of Fatima:
Our Lady of Fatima in the Light of History
The Papacy and Islam
Mary And The Moslems(The Virgin Mother Mary & Islam)
Area Catholics to celebrate 90th anniversary of Fatima
New movie about Our Lady of Fatima to be screened in major U.S. cities
Fatima: The new Movie… Deception a-go-go [the Fatima apparitions were really UFO manifestations]
On Catholics joining hands with Muslims:
Malaysia Catholics oppose non-'Allah' Bible
Catholic church in Cologne collects money for a mosque
A Catholic Church (in Venice Italy) Turns Into A Mosque (each Friday)
Muslims seek crisis management plan with Vatican
Pope meets with Muslim scholars, urges better ties
Vatican, Muslims prepare historic meeting with Pope
Muslim-Catholic pact to foster respect
Pope offers 'working meeting' with Muslims
Why Benedict XVI Is So Cautious with the Letter of the 138 Muslims
Muslims and Catholics release mission statement
Muslims, Catholics find common ground
Muslims Get "Prayer Room" at Catholic University
New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam
Catholics Ponder Muslim Coexistence
Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue, Slams "Holy Wars"(Hooray for the Pope!)

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Evidently you are not aware of how praying the Rosary kept the Muslims out of Europe.

Please do not persisit in your bashing of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

How Europe Escaped Speaking Arabic
The Battle of Lepanto
Civilization in the Balance: The Battle of Lepanto and Election ‘08

LEPANTO
A Call To Prayer: This Lepanto Moment [Repost]
Lepanto, 1571: The Battle That Saved Europe
Celebrating the Battle of Lepanto
Clash of civilizations: Battle of Lepanto revisited

Lepanto, Bertone e Battesimo, Oh My!
Lepanto Sunday
Our Lady of the Rosary of La Naval (A Mini-Lepanto in the Philippines)
Swiss Guards at the Battle of Lepanto, 7 October 1571
Battle of Lepanto

LEPANTO, 7 OCTOBER 1571: The Defense of Europe
Battle of Lepanto
Remember Lepanto!
The Battle of Lepanto
On This Day In History, The Battle of Lepanto
The Battle of Lepanto

Chesterton's Lepanto
The Miracle At Lepanto...
Lepanto
The Naval Battle of Lepanto
The Battle of Lepanto

It’s my understanding that the muslim god (Allah) is not merciful.

Many people think that the God of the Old Testament was not merciful, yet his wrath was turned by through the pleading of prophets.

Most Christians look upon Christ as being more merciful that God the Father, since Christ died for our sins — total unconditional love for the Father and for us.

But I tend to think that the real joy comes through God the Holy Spirit.

Not this nonsense again.

To quote a Catholic news organization, "Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed."

What "Catholic news organization" said this, where, and when?

According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam."

Iranian television is your "Catholic news organization"??

Iranian television could announce that George Washington was a space alien from the planet Zeta Tauri 4, but that wouldn't make it true, would it?

Come on, Sr. Lucia -- the leader of those "three shepherd children" -- died only a couple of years ago. She was crystal clear about whom she saw and what it meant, and the daughter of Mohammed was not mentioned AT ALL.

I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as "Our Lady of Fatima" as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.

Wow, so Fatima, Mohammed's daughter, had a "divine Son"?

I don't think so.

And what would "accepting Mary's divine Son" make Muslims?

I'll take "Christians" for 400, Alex.

Thank you for that most informative link.

Even though some people might think that about God’s actions in the OT, I don’t think that the muslims even try to portray their god as merciful.

I have found that the people who like to portray God in the OT as bad as Allah, generally have a bone to pick with God anyway, and it seems like they use that as an excuse to reject Him and justify it.

5 May 2010

About the Holy Father’s upcoming visit to Fatima

CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULA — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 5:04 pm

I have interested in the Fatima apparitions for quite some time… in particular in the controversy concerning the "Third Secret" given by Our Lady to Sr. Lucia.

For some background on the controversy you might check out Antonio Socci’s book, translated now into English. Marco Tossati also has a good book in Italian.

This is from CNA:

Pope Benedict to deliver ‘intense’ message during Fatima visit

Vatican City, May 5, 2010 / 12:20 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- "Fatima is a particularly significant place for this Pope," said Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi on Tuesday, noting that it was also a destination for two former Popes. The Holy Father has a thorough knowledge of the history of the Marian sanctuary, he added. [And the Holy Father has known the content of the "Third Secret" for a very long time.]

Fr. Lombardi held a press conference at the Vatican to prepare the media for the Pope’s next trip out of the Vatican. He will be visiting Portugal from May 11-14.

The spokesman referred to the Pope’s stop in Fatima on May 13 as the highlight and "heart" of the upcoming four-day trip to Portugal, according to Vatican Radio. But, he pointed out, Benedict XVI will not be the first Pope to visit the Marian shrine. [The things he tells us!]

Two other Pontiffs have been to Fatima. In 1967, the sanctuary hosted Paul VI, and John Paul II visited in 1982, 1991 and 2000, at which time the visionaries Jacinta and Francesco were beatified.

The Portuguese shrine is not unfamiliar to Pope Benedict, since as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger extensively studied the message of Fatima. Fr. Lombardi said on Tuesday that the Pope has been involved with history of the Marian sanctuary in a "very deep, personal way."

It was him, for example, who was called upon to give a theological perspective when the third secret of Fatima was made public in 2000. [Or… at the least… part of the Third Secret!]

[NB:] The Vatican spokesman said that the Holy Father will also deliver an intense message ["an intense message"] during his Fatima visit. Upon his arrival at the sanctuary on May 12, he will remember John Paul II and the 29th anniversary of the assassination attempt that nearly took his life on May 13, 1981.

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Fr. Lombadi has certainly put an edge to my interest by this whetting.

In the meantime, I would love someday to see an image of Our Lady of Fatima that doesn’t involve pastels.

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“As for the Secret, well I happen to be one of those individuals who thinks we didn’t get the whole thing.”

—Mother Angelica, on her live television show May 16, 2001

Scott Hahn tells a story about how he was debating a Muslim. Hahn kept referring to "God the Father," and the Muslim got more and more agitated. Finally the Muslim said, "Allah is not 'Father'. Allah is Master!"

bttt

Finally the Muslim said, "Allah is not 'Father'. Allah is Master!"

And that is their understanding of God. Very similar to a couple of innovations of Christianity who were influenced strongly by Islam. A view of God as a wrathful, sullen omnipotent tyrant, interspersed with occasional bouts of undeserved generosity and favour. A God of fear and retribution. Whereas Christians look to:

John 13: 34 I give you a new commandment: 12 love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. 35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

For the Muslims, their god is NOT the Father; he is a whimsical tyrant destroyer. Kinda reminds me of the gist of the beliefs of some who debate us.

In my opinion, it was a big mistake to make this an open thrad.

And a wonderful, blessed evening to you Doctor.

May God’s richest blessings come upon you this evening.