Men of the Same Cloth?: Old Priests vs. New Priests

US Catholic ^ | 4/19/10 | Christina Capecchi

[Northern Yankee]

I am so glad to see the younger priests understanding the importance of sacredness towards the Mass and towards their profession.

It is certainly a good sign of things to come.

[Northern Yankee]

Last Christmas, for instance, Father James asked Father Bart, who wore an Obama T-shirt on Election Day, for Sarah Palin’s memoir Going Rogue.

I think Father James should have asked Father Bart to see him in the confessional.

[purpleporter]

Kasel explains: “Only men can be priests, and the church sees serving at the altar as the first step toward being a priest. Is it really fair to the girl to have her at the altar if she can’t become a priest?”
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Ok, so any child wanting to serve the alter, really desires to being a priest in their future.

Right...

As a former Catholic, my EIGHT BROTHERS all were alter boys, NONE are priests today.

In fact a couple were “messed with” by a priest while on camping trips with the priest as “mentor”.

It is truly a shame the Church feels the necessity to EXCLUDE females.

[marshmallow]

The Church doesn't exclude females. There are many charisms and ministries in the Mystical Body of Christ, as St. Paul explains. Just one of those is reserved to males; the priesthood. There are many ways to serve God in His Church.

There have been numerous holy women who have given a marvelous example of sanctity to the Church through their ministries.

The Church doesn't "feel the need" to exclude women.

Rather, it maintains that it has no mandate from God to ordain them.

[LurkLongley]

No, the church simply understands that there is a difference between men and women and that their roles will, therefore, be different. Simply because your brothers did not become priests does not keep this priest’s reasoning from being sound.

[Tax-chick]

Until I saw that part, I thought I would have been happy with either Fr. James or Fr. Bart. I don’t think lace or organ music is important, but life is non-negotiable.

[BenKenobi]

I think it’s great that they INCLUDE MALES in something for once.

[BenKenobi]

“Latin is a beautiful language, but we don’t understand it.”

So learn it. It’s not that hard. It’s only your faith after all.

[Chode]

love the Gregorian chant...

[lastchance]

Yes, the Church out to be ashamed for excluding females. Why I never heard tell of any woman being honored by the Church. And the restriction on women in ministry is apalling. Oh if only the Church would enter the 21st century and let women open their mouths and participate in the life and mission of the Church.
Big eye roll.

You make a common mistake in believing that the entire minstry of the Church is centered in the ordained priesthood. And in believing that equality can only be achieved by men and women having the same roles rather than complementary ones.

Personally I see ordaining woman into the priesthood as a disaster judging from the history of the Episcopal Church. Note I am only speaking of priests here. Think the eco spiritualist so called sisters in the priesthood and you have a good picture of what happened.

[Northern Yankee]

Exactly right!

How in the world as a priest do you compromise that position. (Even as a Catholic...)

[Desdemona]

So the tables have turned. When I was younger, it was the newbies out of the seminaries who were doing all the, dare I say it, hippie stuff, and the older guard (now in the center for retired priests if they are still with us on Earth) who cringed. It seems that things are coming back full circle. The young guys don't feel that their manliness is threatened in wearing lace, chant is a part of who they are and with all luck they stick to the script so that the rest of us who are ministering in some way aren't lost when they decide to omit, change or otherwise mess with the Mass.

It's kind of funny - last week, the kids serving set up the procession and you could tell no adult supervised their vesting. Cassocks were the wrong length, one surplus was just all wrong for the kid (it was too short and the neck was too big), parents didn't insist on black shoes with dark socks and pants, etc. It was just sloppy looking. I'm glad there are priests out there now who are concerned with presentation (and this week we had seminarians serving). Some people think/say that it's external, but what is presented externally reflects what is going on internally. Showing up to serve Mass with bedhead doesn't say much about one's respect for what's happening.

Oh, and BTW, by not having an organ, the parish in the article is outside of canon law. Although, it being the Dominicans, all bets are off.

[Salvation]

A cute way to get into the contrast by starting with the outer garments.

It’s what is on the inside that is important. In this case the younger priest wins all around, hands down, and Roman collar in full view when he goes out shopping — that last one is my guess.

[Salvation]

did anyone ask these boys if they ever thought about becoming a priest?

We need to do that from age 11 through the 11th grade!

[Salvation]

**I think Father James should have asked Father Bart to see him in the confessional.**

They can’t do that when they serve on the same staff. Most priest have a Spiritual Advisor to whom they confess.

[Salvation]

You are never a former Catholic. Once baptized a Catholic you are ALWAYS a Catholic. You can come back at any time. Just sit down with a priest and get your questions answered.

Or perhaps there is a class in your city for returning Catholics.

[awin]

So did Christ exclude females as well?

[Salvation]

**It is truly a shame the Church feels the necessity to EXCLUDE females.**

Oh, really, you need to read about the lives of many women saints. Start with these three — all Doctors (super teachers) of the Church.

St. Catherine of Siena — who talked a Pope into returning to Rome from France

St. Teresa of Jesus (Teresa of Avila) who was very devoted to prayer

St. Therese of the Child Jesus who is an avid supporter of the priesthood.

Read the links I post in the next post!

These women WERE and ARE important people in the Catholic Church!

[Salvation]

The Dialogue by St. Catherine of Siena (Online book)

St. Catherine of Siena, Virgin, Doctor of the Church 1380 (April 30)

St. Catherine of Siena: A Feisty Role for Sister Nancy Murray
9 Day Novena - St. Catherine of Siena - to protect Pope Benedict XVI
EWTN New Program - St. Catherine of Siena: Mystic and Reformer
Saint Catherine of Siena, Virgin (d.1380)
Catholic Caucus - St. Catherine of Siena

St. Teresa of Avila on Prayer
St. Teresa de Avila's Devotion to St. Joseph (Catholic Caucus)
WHO IS ST. TERESA OF JESUS?

Film explores spiritual life and sexuality of 'sassy' Saint Teresa
Spanish bishop slams new film on St. Teresa of Avila
Avila University to Be Dedicated to Study of Mysticism
Saint Teresa of Avila[Doctor of the Church]
St. Teresa of Avila

On Praying for Priests (Thoughts from St. Thérèse of Lisieux)
Tens of thousands expected to venerate St. Therese relics at Westminster Cathedral [Catholic Caucus]
The Little-Known St. Thérèse (Catholic Caucus)
All Is Grace
Three Novenas to Saint Therese of Lisieux/St. Therese of the Child Jesus (Prayer Thread)
Catholic Caucus: The Little-Known St. Thérèse

Catholic relic (of St. Therese of the Child Jesus) nicked from Toronto church [Catholic Caucus]
Leonard Porter's St. Therese (magnificent)
Blessed Mother... and Father, Too (parents of St. Therese beatified) [Catholic Caucus]
"A Shower of Roses" [Catholic Caucus]
The Christmas Conversion of St. Thérèse

Benedict XVI Welcomes Relics of St. Thérèse - Urges Faithful to Love Scripture as She Did
St. Therese of The Little Flower - Following Her Road Map & Compass To God (Card Sean Titular Chrch)
St. Therese and the Little Way
Today we remember the Little Flower
New Film on the Life of St. Thèrése of Lisieux Screened for the Roman Curia

St. Therese and Her Little Way
Saint Therese of Lisieux-Excerpts from autobiography:STORY OF A SOUL
St. Thérèse of Lisieux
The Little Way of St. Therese [Long]
Catholic Caucus - St. Therese of Lisieux