Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:26 AM PDT by Salvation
I don’t argue about words. Translate “presbyteros” any way you want and it still describes Catholic ministerial priesthood.
The Scripture is Catholic.
Paul does not teach anything that invalidates St. James or supports your theological fantasies. The fact that you need “a course in hermeneutics” in order to explain away clear gospel only shows that your hermeneutics is a technology of fraud designed to better bamboozle the gullible.
I imagine in your universe God is Catholic, because the pope said so.
Temper, temper.
God is Catholic because Jesus Christ established the Catholic Church.
That is sick! Words either have meanings or they don't - and you apparently stick with the false idea that they don't. I find that sickening for many reasons - the big one is not believing what God has revealed to us. God told Adam and Eve that if they ate of the tree of "Good and Evil" they would "surely die". Now Satan chose your method of dealing with those words, ignored what they meant, and say that they would "not surely die" - and the Catholic church, following in the footsteps of a pagan philosopher named Plato, changed the meaning of the terms we translate as "living being" to be "never dying soul", i.e., an "immortal soul". These are just two of the hundreds of false ideas Catholicism foisted upon its members. I find it sickening, absolutely sickening! Jesus said that there is a Judge for those who don't believe in Him - "The very words I spoke will be your judge!" So, go ahead and say what you said above...you're going to be judged by Jesus' words.
Dear friend, be encouraged that though there are many in the Catholic Church with their fingers in their ears regarding what the Bible teaches, there are others who WANT to hear the truth of God’s word, untwisted by pagan philosophies masquerading as God’s religion.
Keep up the good work.
2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
I have enjoyed your thoughtful, pertinent comments and exposition of biblical words and their meanings for those reasonable men (and women) who want to become better acquainted with what God has to say about leadership in His church.
The “presbyteros” — whatever translation into English you attach to it, — is one who according to the scripture is sacramentally consecrated (1 Tim 4:14), sent by Christ as himself (John 20:21), given the ability to consecrate the Eucharist (Lk 22:19), as I pointed out in my 37.
Thank you. God's word never comes back unfulfilled.
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